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EMI will no longer allow ripping to iPods
« Thread Started on Oct 26, 2005, 6:15am »
I get the impression no-one has heard that EMI have decided to copy control all their future UK and international compact disc releases from November 7th. Before copy control technology was only used on international and promotional releases.

Not that this usually prevents anyone from ripping their CDs, except that new software developments being implemented in these releases will mean they no longer rip to iTunes or any other iPod software.

Apparently this has been decided 'to create a return to stereo-play and steer the company further away from piracy and increase awareness of legal downloading for users of mp3 devices'.

Yes. Because that worked the first time.

Univeral recently announced it would be dropping copy control technology from all its releases, as the software was 'unreliable' and 'outdated'.
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« Reply #1 on Oct 26, 2005, 6:24am »
Note to self: Buying EMI discs = useless purchase.
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Re: EMI will no longer allow ripping to iPods
« Reply #2 on Oct 26, 2005, 7:19am »
Surely they can't expect people to buy albums twice, once for the CD and once for the mp3?

Sounds like a way of killing off CD sales.
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« Reply #3 on Oct 26, 2005, 7:27am »
Sony are doing the same thing. I look forward to hearing the world's second largest producer of MP3 players claim they want to encourage people to "get back to stereo play".
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« Reply #4 on Oct 26, 2005, 7:56am »
Jesus, because this is going to convince a cynical record-buying public that the record companies aren't trying to rip them off twice for the same album, isn't it?

How much coke do you think it took in the boardroom before this one got minuted?
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« Reply #5 on Oct 26, 2005, 9:07am »
re sony.

i have a new flash player of theirs, have to use Connect to import music to the device. and indeed i came across design feature not allowing certain albums to be imported.

but as ever there is a simple 'fix'. rip the album using Windows Media - making note to set the options to be Lossless, so that the quality is spot on.

then open the Connect software and import the newly created WMA files into the Connect library. all works perfectly.

rocket science it is not.
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« Reply #6 on Oct 26, 2005, 10:26am »
And record companies wonder why people don't buy CDs anymore?? I don't even own a CD player (I can only play CDs on my computer or my DVD player). I've had no problem ripping CDs with Music Match, even my copy protected Ace of Base "Da Capo".
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« Reply #7 on Oct 26, 2005, 11:11am »
In my opinion that's a poor choice. I know it stresses a lot of people out and in working for a large record store chain here in Canada, I know that a lot of people have returned CDs with the "Copy Protection" on it because it wouldn't play in their car stereo or on their older stereo. It's quite a sad state of affairs that EMI think that this is the route to take. In any case, they obviously feel this will help, I imagine it won't -- but we will wait and see. I know I won't be buying anything with this new form of copy protection until there is a way around it to put it on my iPod.

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« Reply #8 on Oct 26, 2005, 11:35am »
People are downloading albums for free because they are on the internet weeks in advance of it's official release. They should crack down on the people that upload the promotional albums before they start attacking the consumers who actually buy the damned thing and what also pisses me right off is record companies wanting more money from tracks sold on iTunes. Before iTunes came along they weren't making any money AT ALL on a single and now tracks are going on to to sell 1million+ on downloads alone. Yet it costs them next to nothing to send an already recorded song to Apple for it to be placed onto their music store. Fucking thick bastards.
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« Reply #9 on Oct 26, 2005, 12:24pm »
What a ridicious state of affairs.

I buy around 10 to 15 albums per month, and the majority of which I rip onto iTunes, then listen to them from the iTunes library or on my iPod. I hardly ever use the actual discs more than once or twice.

I know Shakira's Laundry Service didn't play on my PC and it skipped and jumped in my stereo so I hardly listened to that at all. Instead I had to buy a pirate copy from someone for £2 just so I could listen to the songs that I'd already legally paid for.

Can anybody name me a few artists who are on EMI? I just want to know if this will affect me at all!
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« Reply #10 on Oct 26, 2005, 12:35pm »
I didn't buy Shakira's album as I heard about the copy protection on it.

The only time i use my stereo is to make sure i've burned a disc properly - otherwise i just stick them on my computer
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« Reply #11 on Oct 26, 2005, 12:46pm »
The internet: it's amazing, etc.:

EMI global sites

EMI UK artists
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« Reply #12 on Oct 26, 2005, 12:56pm »
Of course, it's not going to make even a dent on piracy, given that those who want to steal music don't do it by relying on their friends allowing them to rip new CDs to iTunes. They do it by downloading the entire album from Kazaa or eMule themselves and importing the mp3s in manually. Hardly any more work than going down the record shop and ripping manually.
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« Reply #13 on Oct 26, 2005, 1:13pm »

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The internet: it's amazing, etc.:

EMI global sites

EMI UK artists


I'm far too busy for that kind of nonsense.

Luckily the only artist I'm vaguely interested in is Kate Bush. However if all the EMI sub-labels adopt the new policy then I might be in trouble.
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« Reply #14 on Oct 26, 2005, 2:26pm »
So, is the Kate Bush album going to be one of these coasters or will I be able to actually listen to it in a practical way when I buy it?

They may as well release their albums only on vinyl.
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« Reply #15 on Oct 26, 2005, 2:28pm »

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Of course, it's not going to make even a dent on piracy, given that those who want to steal music don't do it by relying on their friends allowing them to rip new CDs to iTunes. They do it by downloading the entire album from Kazaa or eMule themselves and importing the mp3s in manually. Hardly any more work than going down the record shop and ripping manually.


Precisely. Don't they realize that Copy Control just doesn't work and will make people download MORE illegal music?

My favorite example was the Pet Shop Boys' Pop Art. It was released in the UK (fab 3-CD box set!) as usual, and then released in Europe in a horrible, COPY CONTROL box set that didn't even play on my car stereo. Now, do they think that Continential Europeans couldn't just order a UK edition, or - even easier - download the songs they want? It's got to be all or nothing....and hopefully it'll be nothing.
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« Reply #16 on Oct 26, 2005, 6:45pm »
I have tons of copycontrol CDs. I've never had a problem ripping from them.
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« Reply #17 on Oct 26, 2005, 7:28pm »

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I'm far too busy for that kind of nonsense.

Luckily the only artist I'm vaguely interested in is Kate Bush. However if all the EMI sub-labels adopt the new policy then I might be in trouble.



Luckily for you I have a thunderously unfulfilling job.

Yeah, overall I wasn't too devastated by the EMI stable, but there are some that give pause.

I've purchased several copy-control CDs and my iTunes has never given me trouble either...is it a computer/software thing?
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« Reply #18 on Oct 26, 2005, 7:51pm »
I'll be interested to see just how this affects their sales, as it's certainly going to stop people from legally purchasing their product.

As regards ripping from copyright protected discs: Sometimes they work ('Prototype'), and other times (Wolfsheim's last album, Melody Club's 'Face The Music') they don't. And as you can't buy Melody Club or Wolfsheim on the UK iTunes store, then you're left with no option but to illegally download.

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« Reply #19 on Oct 26, 2005, 8:53pm »
This will actually INCREASE piracy because people will buy the CDs, realize they can't play them and then rip them from a P2P site. OR they won't ever buy the CD at all.

I should note that in America this is happening simultaneously as the labels try to raise their prices on itunes (which we all know is cheap 128 quality). Whatever. In 5 years the industry will be SUNK if they continue to assault their customers.

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« Reply #20 on Oct 26, 2005, 9:36pm »

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I have tons of copycontrol CDs. I've never had a problem ripping from them.


Exactly. I have around ten of them and I have no problems finding a way around the supposed "copy control". It's like seeing houses with a little thing on the lawn saying they are protected by so and so alarm company, they usually put that and don't have it. I am also able to download those albums that are truely copy-controlled after someone finds a way around the technology so I have no worries.
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« Reply #21 on Oct 26, 2005, 10:44pm »
God why don't they just get rid of CDs and switch over to that new DVD encoding that has been labeled "Copy Control" and can't EVER be ripped. Funny. I believe I had a pair of pants that boasted the same thing before.
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« Reply #22 on Oct 27, 2005, 2:58am »
my new sugababes album is copy controlled. i got it from the uk and it even has its own player on the cd. not fair. all i know is that if i can't get it on my ipod, i won't be listening to it much... might even take it back...

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« Reply #23 on Oct 27, 2005, 3:47am »
The record companies are apparently blaming Apple, who won't allow them to incorporate their FairPlay DRM on the copy protected discs.

Sounds to me like they're just pointing the finger at eachother... :(
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« Reply #24 on Oct 27, 2005, 10:00am »
I am sensing a certain desperation in the dialogue between record companies and digital music services. It's a shame it has to come to this. It will be interesting to see how long it is before someone cracks this new "copy protection". I am a big fan of buying albums, I much prefer them over say digital albums. If my computer crashes, I still have the album. Although the last time EMI did this, nobody else really followed suit. I am curious to see how this pans out.

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« Reply #25 on Oct 27, 2005, 10:17am »
shit, and I'm glad I just bought an Ipod today.
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« Reply #26 on Oct 27, 2005, 5:30pm »
Again, I'm one of those who'll only be bothered if the sub-labels follow suit (who knew that DFA was part of EMI? I always assumed it was an independent - maybe next time i'll have a proper look on my CDs for stuff like that).
...Actually, looking at the various sites branching off the EMI one, is anyone actually signed directly to the label, or is it always to a sub-label. My own favourite looks like Parlophone, and the largest looks like mute, which in turn has it's own sub-sub labels. God it's a funny world out there.
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« Reply #27 on Oct 27, 2005, 7:05pm »
...and by the way, yes this is sort-of pissing me off because of the situation.
Why punish the people who actually spend money on music?
I'd understand if it were only for promos, but this is daft.
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« Reply #28 on Oct 28, 2005, 12:41pm »
The whole situation seems to be in disarray at the moment. Sony BMG are trying to use the consumers to convince Apple to share their DRM (copy protection) with them, with these words:

"If you believe that you should be able to easily move tracks from your protected CD to your iPod then we encourage you to use the following link to contact Apple directly and tell them so."
(Sony-BMG FAQ)

On the same page they instruct how to bypass their own copy protection for other pm3 players. But as Reuters/Billboard noted "EMI is not quite so helpful. A source says the company will not instruct consumers on how to work around copy-protected discs."
("Artists take stand against copy protection")

So is there a difference in attitude here? Are the Japanese/Germans more progressive than the British? Or are they just more willing to mess about?


Meanwhile Microsoft suffer setbacks in their bid to compete with Apple in this area. First the record industry won't co-operate with them: "Microsoft ends license talks with music labels"

Then, this week, they're told that their plans would have their violated their 2002 "landmark antitrust settlement" with the US government: "Judge chides Microsoft over exclusive music proposal"
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