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Post by Jon on Nov 5, 2004 15:03:52 GMT -5
I'm not really getting why there'd be any contest over it. It's scarcely one of the best tracks on Thank You. I actually think Bout, the flop first single, is one of the strongest moments. And the two 'bonus' tracks at the end put much of the album proper to shame. I think Bout, Antidote and Club Hoppin are the strongest tracks on Thank You, followed by Thank You, Dirty Dirty, Life and Superstar. SIIABEyes and DJ didn't add much to the album for me at all.
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Post by Pandarama on Nov 5, 2004 16:06:53 GMT -5
But Panda, aside from Jen, nobody was really disputing her talent. Just her arrogance. Ok you may know people who have met her and seen otherwise, but it's been fairly well documented that she can talk down other singers with ease. And although she is talented, she really has no place to say who should and shouldn't have a recording contract. Why not? This is what I don't understand. We do that every day. I find it bizarre that people are quite happy to spend days on this messageboard making bitchy remarks about popstars, saying who is or isn't talented, who's a talentless waste of space, who needs, as Posh Gurung so eloquently put it, "a smack in the tits", but as soon as Jamelia does in public what a bunch of people do from behind the safety of their computer suddenly everyone's "That Jamelia! What a bitch! Stone the heretic to death!" I have no problem with people thinking Jamelia is arrogant; as scandipop points out, I'm sure there's a lot of evidence to back it up. But the hypocrisy of this entire thread leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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Post by AugustMoon on Nov 5, 2004 18:35:37 GMT -5
You must be more diplomatic when you're in a position like Jamelia's than if you quite anonymously sometimes fire off some words on your keyboard. Her words just carry more weight with her being a well-known personality. Yes, she can be disturbingly self-assertive. But I hope people don't expect only posh courtesies from somebody from circumstances like hers. OK, her stepbrother, Tafarwa Beckford, is still awaiting trial for the New Year 2003 shooting, isn't he? But another stepbrother of hers, Tesrod, was murdered when she was 14; and Tafarwa himself was shot in the head a year ago. When there was a death threat against her in connection with a concert this summer it's not surprising she took it seriously. Personally I'm waiting quite impatiently for new material from Mumba, so I wouldn't agree with Jamelia that Samantha shouldn't have a contract. But to use her gibe as an excuse for a wholesale badmouthing of her does feel idle and cowardly. I agree with your "bad taste in the mouth" comment, Pandarama.
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Post by Cherubic on Nov 5, 2004 19:35:37 GMT -5
Perhaps the reason Samantha Mumba doesn't have a record contract was because she never did or said anything remotely interesting. Which from the mild passions raised by her comments is not a charge that could be honestly aimed at Jamelia.
Also Jamelia got rid of her surname. Which relative abilities aside makes her seem cooler. Maybe if Samantha been marketed as "The Mumba" or S&M she'd still be with us?
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Post by scandipop on Nov 5, 2004 20:33:44 GMT -5
Why not? This is what I don't understand. We do that every day. I find it bizarre that people are quite happy to spend days on this messageboard making bitchy remarks about popstars, saying who is or isn't talented, who's a talentless waste of space, who needs, as Posh Gurung so eloquently put it, "a smack in the tits", but as soon as Jamelia does in public what a bunch of people do from behind the safety of their computer suddenly everyone's "That Jamelia! What a bitch! Stone the heretic to death!" I have no problem with people thinking Jamelia is arrogant; as scandipop points out, I'm sure there's a lot of evidence to back it up. But the hypocrisy of this entire thread leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I see your point Panda. And I suppose we are quiet hypocritical when it comes to that. But then isn't that what a message board is about? Every insult is going to be a bit hypocritical. When A says that Verity from the X Factor is a shit singer, well can A sing? When B laugh at how low Darius' second album entered, has B ever made an album? And I suppose yes, when I say that she has no right to say who should have a deal and who shouldn't, nor have I a right. But it's just a message board, that's what happens on them. If Jamelia had have made her comments on here, we would have gone into the normal debate, blah blah. But she didn't. She's a public figure who made them live on air on Radio 1. And hypocritical or not, we don;t like to hear that from a girl who's got a history of slagging off people in the past - again publicly. The majority of the celebrities in Britain get by without putting others down, why does Jamelia need to do it so often? It's not very dignified and for that, I'm going to sit at my PC and discuss it with others - ''ooh 'int she a bitch'' and all that. Of course, I'm no better, but when talking to a DJ while millions are listening to me promote my single, I'd imagine I would be. I'm not going to play the old ''funny she only gobs off when she's got a single to promote'' card but in case anybody else wants to play it, I'll just leave it here. Making it's presence known.
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Post by Steve on Nov 5, 2004 21:15:35 GMT -5
Both of Samantha Mumba's albums are filled with more potential hits than Jamelia's. And since when doesn't Samantha Mumba still have her deal with Polydor? I thought it was confirmed that she was only dropped by Interscope USA after they decided that they couldn't market the second album after she only really had one hit single from her first album, and when they tried to launch "I'm Right Here" featuring Damien Marley, it flopped miserably.
If DJ was a Samantha Mumba song it never appeared on what would have been her second album, which leads me to think she might well have turned it down anyway.
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Post by Dudie on Nov 6, 2004 4:54:55 GMT -5
I absolutely agree with you Scandipop. I like to think that if destiny had smiled on me the way it has on Jamelia, I'd be a tad more gracious to my rivals. There's the saying 'Be careful who you slag off on the way up because you're bound to meet them in a dark alley on your way down' or words to that effect..
Celebrities who don't retaliate to such sniping and who have more decency than to slag off others have my vote every time.
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Post by Mikka on Nov 6, 2004 5:50:54 GMT -5
It's pretty ironic that the best track Jamelia released 'Bout' did the worse out the lot! But she was pretty unknown then!
'DJ' is the worst track on 'Thank You'! I don't know which retard decided to release that as a single. Generic shit! 'Bounce', 'Cutie', 'Antidote',' Life' ,'Club Hoppin' are all way superior! I suppose 'Bout' was just too edgy for Jamelia's new fanbase!
And as for all you peeps who said that she stole 'DJ' from Sam Mumba, it was actually originally recorded by a three-piece black US girl group . . can't remember their names. Their version was much improved!
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Post by Shezz on Nov 6, 2004 6:09:42 GMT -5
Wow, the bandwagon on this board gets rolling really quickly, doesn't it? I have to say I'm surprised at a lot of you. How exactly does wishing a brick would fall on Jamelia's head make you any less of a spiteful sod than she [allegedly] is? For what it's worth, I don't think Jamelia is overrated, or a bitch. Several people I work with have met her on various occasions, and not one of them has a bad word to say about her. And when I saw her live a few months ago, she oozed stage presence from every pore and had the crowd in the palm of her hand. Obviously I just have very low standards. you obviously do. she is hugely overrated, after 2 singles she was "the best thing in British r 'n' b, could easily rival Beyonce and easily break America" anyone with a pair of eyes can see shes arrogant. if youre being told every day that your brilliant, youre going to start being it. i mean shes not even a good singer, most of the time she mimes and when she does sing live its dreadful warbling. Look at Stop for example - shes thinks its acceptable to screech her way through the song and then shout "Staaaap!" like some American diva. yes i am spiteful. am i bothered? no.
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Post by Shezz on Nov 6, 2004 6:17:40 GMT -5
Why not? This is what I don't understand. We do that every day. I find it bizarre that people are quite happy to spend days on this messageboard making bitchy remarks about popstars, saying who is or isn't talented, who's a talentless waste of space, who needs, as Posh Gurung so eloquently put it, "a smack in the tits", but as soon as Jamelia does in public what a bunch of people do from behind the safety of their computer suddenly everyone's "That Jamelia! What a bitch! Stone the heretic to death!" I have no problem with people thinking Jamelia is arrogant; as scandipop points out, I'm sure there's a lot of evidence to back it up. But the hypocrisy of this entire thread leaves a bad taste in my mouth. ive got some mints, do you want some? i wouldnt mind her if she wasnt so hideously overrated, i saw Money the other day on TMF i remember the days when i used to love her back then, she was a really nice girl. But now all the "Jamelia youre fantastic etc. etc." sickens me. Everyone seems to be jumping on the bandwagon at sucking up to her. If she had a multi-million selling album and brilliant strong voice then i could understand all the praise. but right now i really dont understand it.
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Post by Storm on Nov 6, 2004 6:47:06 GMT -5
Why not? This is what I don't understand. We do that every day. I find it bizarre that people are quite happy to spend days on this messageboard making bitchy remarks about popstars, saying who is or isn't talented, who's a talentless waste of space, who needs, as Posh Gurung so eloquently put it, "a smack in the tits", but as soon as Jamelia does in public what a bunch of people do from behind the safety of their computer suddenly everyone's "That Jamelia! What a bitch! Stone the heretic to death!" I have no problem with people thinking Jamelia is arrogant; as scandipop points out, I'm sure there's a lot of evidence to back it up. But the hypocrisy of this entire thread leaves a bad taste in my mouth. To be honest, I don't much care about whoever Jamelia slags off anyway - it's fairly obvious that she only does it for attention. Whether I think hse's a nice person or not is besides the point. I just think she's crap. I can name 20 US singers just off the top of my head that are doing the same thing, and would piss from a great height over Jamelia. And as for the comment that Jamelia has the talent and sales to back up her arguments. Her 'talent' is questionable - yeah, she's got a decent voice, but it's hardly unique is it?? And as for sales, she's still yet to sell 300,000 copies of her album in this country, which if I'm correct is less than Sam Mumba's first did. Has she also forgotten how badly her first album did? Her whole career at the moment is built on hype - at the moment she's semi-successful, and I would imagine has still to make her record company any money whatsoever. The reports that she's the UK's hottest new star are bull. EDIT - Antidote is amazing though. It should have been a single.
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Post by Snuff on Nov 6, 2004 7:40:58 GMT -5
I really like Jamelia's album and she's good in interviews. But what she said went slightly too far. If it wasn't for Superstar she'd have no career. Did she forget that Bout succesfully went to the dumper? Half her album seems to be created from tracks that artists in other countries have sang.
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Post by Twixy on Nov 6, 2004 10:02:54 GMT -5
Why is this considered such a massive thing? Like Pandarama said, we say things like it everyday - if you don't believe it... check the dumper.
To be honest, I couldn't care less, I love Jamelia, I think she is an amazing artist, yes I do think she can be a bit over the top with what she says, but if that's what she wants to say, why not?
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Post by AugustMoon on Nov 6, 2004 13:27:44 GMT -5
I can name 20 US singers just off the top of my head that are doing the same thing... ... Her 'talent' is questionable - yeah, she's got a decent voice, but it's hardly unique is it?? I find her soul-pop a bit unique. That's maybe mainly a question of producers and material and general environment, but she's still doing something with it. And I think the end result is distinctly non-American, with its European pop-sensibility. Maybe I'm trying to identify a distinction that is too subtle subtle here - but if you, for example, compare Milian's and Spears's latest with their earlier ones, you notice which is American produced and which is European, don't you?
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Post by Storm on Nov 6, 2004 14:39:47 GMT -5
Not sure I agree with that - a lot of the album was done in the US, and produced by Americans, with guest stars like Bubba Sparxx and Rah Digga - I think a lot of it is US lite. Yes, there are songs which are distinctly more European sounding, in particular 'Superstar' with the Cutfather & Joe production, and 'See It In A Boy's Eyes'. But all in all, to me at least, it sounds like a British RnB star trying to sound as american as possible. You only have to listen to the lyrics in her new track - how many people in the UK use phrases like 'Cellphone' and 'Droptop'? Hmmm.............
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Post by AugustMoon on Nov 6, 2004 16:51:19 GMT -5
Not sure I agree with that - a lot of the album was done in the US, and produced by Americans, with guest stars like Bubba Sparxx and Rah Digga - I think a lot of it is US lite. Just to make clear what I meant. I felt that Jamelia sounds distinctly European, in the same way as Nenah Cherry and Joan Armatrading do. Clearer, more thoughtful; paler, less funky. Something like that. It's a quality I appreciate, if nothing else because it's more unusual in black singers. Then, taking that as a given, I tried to not give her undue credit for it, because circumstances would have helped to accentuate that quality. It was a bit stupid of me to mention producers, because I didn't know any details about them. Maybe, if she's desperately trying to sound American, she just doesn't succeed? Or am I deluding myself? I've this idea that even if the whole planet tries to become a big American suburb it won't succeed; and we'll end up with something that, in it's totality, is only a bit more western-tinged than it was to start with. So, since I want European culture to be different from American, I could project that onto cultural manifestations like this? That Jamelia would sound African-European could be just wishful thinking on my part? I also feel that the record market's concentration into a handful of companies actually does make record production more homogenized. The sound of records in different genres and from different countries could sound completely different in previous decades, but they have the same underlying cozy feel to them nowadays. If a British singer tries to sound American you could be worried that it'd reinforce such homogenity. But I'm not. They're seperate issues, I feel. Are people talking about Jamelia becoming popular in America? I always find those things so unpredictable. That Samantha Mumba would have any success there was a surprise to me. Likewise BB Mak, Bush, Coldplay...
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Post by Jon on Nov 6, 2004 20:31:11 GMT -5
how many people in the UK use phrases like 'Cellphone' and 'Droptop'? Hmmm............. Three. Their names are Alesha, Sabrina and Su-Elise.
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Post by hmmmmm on Nov 6, 2004 21:13:21 GMT -5
:: raises hand ::
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Post by allanc on Nov 7, 2004 10:24:18 GMT -5
I'm really starting to dislike Jamelia. She has got a definite attitude that's going to be her downfall. Jamelia's so called comeback single only scraped into the chart at #37, followed by three moderately big hits from a moderately successful album (that I wasn't all that impressed with if I'm honest). The girl isn't even that talented a performer. She owes all her success to Superstar, a song that she stole from someone else, and now she's stealing another song and she thinks she's the new Whitney? Puh-leez! Jamelia is an okay act, but just that. She wont be leaving a mark on the music industry and she'll probably be forgotten about twenty years from now.
She needs to get over herself.
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Post by Pensiero Bello on Nov 7, 2004 13:14:08 GMT -5
In other news:
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Post by Shezz on Nov 7, 2004 14:54:45 GMT -5
I think she is an amazing artist Why though? What makes her so "amazing"?
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Post by Twixy on Nov 7, 2004 15:38:32 GMT -5
Why though? What makes her so "amazing"? I have no idea, all I know is that I love her album, I love her as a person, and I just think she generally is fantastic.
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Post by Cathal on Nov 10, 2004 14:02:01 GMT -5
Samantha Mumba pisses and shits all over Jamelia's head... Gotta Tell You was far superior to anything Jamelia has ever done. Arrogant twat....
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Post by dUbscruB on Nov 10, 2004 14:10:35 GMT -5
Samantha Mumba pisses and shits all over Jamelia's head. How evocative.
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Post by jmusichead on Jan 1, 2005 19:25:12 GMT -5
Jamelia is truly awful, I don't get her and never will do-she can't sing 4 sh it, she hardly writes hardly any of her own stuff and is a boring perfomer ( at least Britney makes up for the 1st 2 reasons for being superd at the latter). My mate and I saw her perform at baselounge last year , we were right at the front and were laughing in her face until we couldn't take her 'voice' any more and went off to smoke a joint- the only thing which could cure the state of insanity she had left us in happy new year peeps!!
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Post by ham74 on Jan 1, 2005 20:50:11 GMT -5
ti think u should stop smoking those joints.
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Post by drbastard on Jan 3, 2005 10:06:19 GMT -5
Samantha Mumba pisses and shits all over Jamelia's head... Gotta Tell You was far superior to anything Jamelia has ever done. Arrogant twat.... Pity she has the face of a saggy leather boot then. And don't get me started on her shitty videos.
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Post by Mike on Jan 3, 2005 10:08:47 GMT -5
Jamelia is truly awful, I don't get her and never will do-she can't sing 4 sh it, she hardly writes hardly any of her own stuff and is a boring perfomer ( at least Britney makes up for the 1st 2 reasons for being superd at the latter). After the Onyx Hotel tour I think the latter is very much open to debate.
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Post by drbastard on Jan 3, 2005 10:14:25 GMT -5
After the Onyx Hotel tour I think the latter is very much open to debate. What a bad, bad tour that was. What the fuck was that fat guy all about? It just makes me cringe that Britney can be talked into such humiliating things like that.
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Post by freakface on Jan 3, 2005 11:06:18 GMT -5
Jamelia doesnt deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Britney.
There arent enough spliffs in the world to get rid of her mediocrity. Plus her hair is mank.
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