People who come on here, but don't like pop

[flufff]

They don't like The World We Call Pop, but they are determined to infiltrate it to tell us we are wrong and have inferior opinions. They say that Jamelia's too good for 'pop' or condescendingly tell us that the reason we thought Will's Jaaaaaaaaames Brown was wanky is because we are uneducated and don't 'get' jazz/funk/soul.

These are the people who only like a handful of artists that count as pop, but they do their best to convince themselves and everyone else they aren't really pop and are better than normal popstars and their favourite work is the stuff that's not pop at all.

When they've got bored of telling us their favourite is too good for pop, has a sophisticated audience and sound we don't get they pile into threads on proper popstars they've never liked to moan about them doing popstar things.

The miming debate gets on my tits. For example, I like my popstars to sing live most of the time, but if I complain about it, that's because I'd like to see them give a live performance, not because I am campaining against them. The people that annoy me are the ones who not very secretly love that Rachel Stevens/Liberty-X/Britney mime because it's another excuse to slag them off.

[si]

flufff said:

The people that annoy me are the ones who not very secretly love that Rachel Stevens/Liberty-X/Britney mime because it's another excuse to slag them off.

You missed out Geri.

I'm only being preemptive.

[Bootie]

Quite

I like jazz ( real jazz that is, not the pseudo stuff that hits our charts) and classical music as well as pop....but i'd go onto JazzJustice and ClassicalJustice to wax lyrical about that.

This is pop pop pop pop. If you don't like it go away.

Sorry ...not a very coherent or intellectual argument...but I am very hungover

[Benny]

Bootie said:

Quite

I like jazz ( real jazz that is, not the pseudo stuff that hits our charts) and classical music as well as pop....but i'd go onto JazzJustice and ClassicalJustice to wax lyrical about that.

This is pop pop pop pop. If you don't like it go away.

Sorry ...not a very coherent or intellectual argument...but I am very hungover

Hope you haven't been out on the razz with Gareth , Bootie? If you have then I am madly jealous.

Back on topic. Yes the pretentious twats only come on here with the sole purpose of telling us how naff we are, which is a bit rich coming from the predominantly saddo bunch of hardcore barking mad fans of individual artists, trolling the net to jump to their defence.

[Bootie]

Benny said:

Hope you haven't been out on the razz with Gareth , Bootie? If you have then I am madly jealous.

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I wish.....hmm, falls into daydream

[drbastard]

I hope you aren't referring to me with this. I may come across as vindictive but I don't take it that seriously. I would never tell people their opinions are stupid because they don't listen to classical music. Neither do I because I don't connect with it so f*8k them.

I didn't always despise Geri, seriously, but her mad anorexia phase caused more damage than she will ever be aware of. That was evil on a scale that's almost inconceivable.

I just don't like settling for second best when it comes to pop music. Our industry is doing terrible right now. Why? Because most music churned out is crap, fit for the bin. I may moan a lot but I have the right to my opinions and I WILL have them just as the others will have their own.

*Phew!* Time for a haircut now.

[drbastard]

Do you know what really annoys me? How Geri's fans *at the time* told me she wasn't anorexic. She was 'just naturally thin' and she was a great role model for children

They all eat sh*t when I was proved right.

If they want to respect a former porn model, let them. I'll put my respect elsewhere into icons more deserving of it.

[Benny]

Just because you're paranoid Dr Bastard doesn't mean that they're not all out to get you. However having said that I don't think Fluff meant you at all unless I'm mistaken or then again maybe she did.....

[flufff]

Don't be paranoid Dr Bastard. I wasn't thinking of you. You hate a lot of people in pop, but that's not the same as hating pop and I've never taken your rants particularly seriously as I've never thought you have either.

Benny's hit the nail on the head with the trolls bit. It happens regulary with a few people, with single-artist fans turning up to post almost exclusively in threads on that person. They start or join in threads to sing their praises and plug the latest single, then are never to be seen again until they come swarming back to defend them if anyone dares to make a negative comment. The nature of fan-dom makes it inevitable, but some are worse than others and I take particular offence at the ones who have no respect for pop music and fans of pop music. At least the Abs fans don't prattle on about real music or launch tirades on Posh for daring to want to work in music when she's not a strong vocalist.

Pop fans who don't like Posh/Rachel/Geri for their limited vocal range are fine in my book. It's the non-pop fans that need to piss off.

This where the miming thing gets confusing too. Some people don't like miming because they believe that popstar is capable of better and they'd enjoy their performances better if they were live. I prefer my popstars to be able to sing live and to do it regularly for that reason and Jamelia is a good example of a popstar in that category. It's a valid point for her fans or people who watched to make.

What is annoying are the people who hate the recorded version of a song punting up to criticise the miming again and again and again, only stopping to tell us that so and so never mimes, claiming if they can do it then so can everyone else and expecting us to be in awe and to judge recorded music on the ability to reproduce it live, not on the music.

[drbastard]

Thanks. I was like, they all want me to die in agony.

[flufff]

There, there. You're quite a sensitive soul aren't you?

[drbastard]

Oh yes...and modest too.

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[gabbygoo]

Ok Ok I know is me!! I just hate miming with a passion but that doesn't mean I don't like pop music. In fact I love it and love all sorts of music from rock, indie soul, R and B ( and shock horror reggae) and thank you Will for getting me into more blues/Jazz stuff

I actually love Rachel Stevens songs (just would love to hear someone singing them live)

I found this site through a friend and although you may think I am a troll. I am not, ( honestly) although I do defend who I like (don't we all)

I would like to think I am quite reasonable (except for miming ). I post big up posts on who i like and put downs on who I don't. Isn't that ok? Oh and if my favourites mime well I moan about them so see I am not discriminating

My only problem with this board is the aversion to exclamation marks. I am a big exclamation marker and oh it is so painful posting without one. Is like an ex life long smoker not knowing what do with hands not that I would know as I am still addicted to the nicotine

So there I got that off my chest so will toodle off to start a thread on the excitement of watching acts mime

[flufff]

So you don't think it's about you, but you are sure it is?

This thread is creating massive paranoia, I'm impressed, but you've been consistenly paranoid about things on here. The miming thing is a minor detail and one trait of the people who really don't belong here.

Whether you are a fan of live singing or not is not, nor has ever been the problem. The problem is people who wouldn't have any interest in the artists if they were live and spend more time obsessing about their miming than they ever do about the music, or any times when they do sing live.

At risk of over-cross-referencing the threads, check out Snoopy's post in the Gareth thread. Snoopy is a Will fan who has only come on here to talk about him, rants and sulks in the threads that criticise him, is rude to any of Will's other fans that might question if one particular performance was any good, then goes into a Gareth thread to say he's got no talent and always mimes. Then pisses off without taking any interest in any other artist.

That said, it's obvious you came on here to defend Sam and Mark (who have mimed) and while you're here you've joined in with other stuff, and in between the paranoia about everyone disagreeing with everything you post you have ranted about miming. But you weren't nearly as bad as you think you were and in your paranoia you thought you were being picked on again. I also said I had no problem with people being annoyed with miming, so long as they might actually be happy if the person sang live. You say you criticise the people you like for it - so by your own reasoning, those comments are not about you. Did you spot the bit where I said I prefer people to sing live? The only difference is that I don't obsess about it, because obsessing spoils it more than the miming.

I may add overly-paranoid people who feel like outsiders and therefore think everyone is out to get them and therefore misread two out ot three posts to my list of things that bug me, but it's much lower down the list than the things I mentioned in the first place. It's almost funny.

At which point did I say it wasn't OK to like other types of music? None. I have mentioned the other types of music I like on here, but I doubt you've noticed because you think I hate tv popstars. To make it a bit clearer, the problem is with people who don't like pop who come on here and sneer at pop, who don't respect that we like pop and infer other styles are better. If you haven't done that, you are safe. Stop being so bloody paranoid.

These exclamation marks. Mr PJ made that rule before you joined so don't even begin to think it was aimed at you.

[gabbygoo]

Fluff

I am glad we got that sorted. I am a naturally paranoid person so please just put up with me as for the exclamation marks I didn't think for one moment that the ruling was for my benefit...........ooooooo now you got me thinking, see paranoa rules

I shall try not to be so paranoid in future if you can bear with me on the miming