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Post by drbastard on Sept 11, 2004 12:38:46 GMT -5
I hate this big nosed conky cow. Her voice makes me want to scream. Why is she so needlessly nasty to everyone she comes across? Evil cow. She shouldn't be so bitchy towards people. It's not right.
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Post by allanc on Sept 11, 2004 13:19:06 GMT -5
This woman annoys the living hell out of me. She's not even famous, but yet thinks it's totally fine to take the rip out of the far more successful Dido...sour grapes, anyone?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2004 14:04:55 GMT -5
Winebar...
I see what you did there.
I quite like her in interviews, but sadly her album is a bit meandery and moany. Also, she has a habit of saying she makes "real music". What exactly is fake music? Something that sounds like notes but when you get near it, it turns out to be artfully crafted white noise?
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Post by elmsyrup on Sept 11, 2004 17:31:33 GMT -5
She shouldn't be so bitchy towards people. It's not right. Ahem... |
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Post by miumiu on Sept 12, 2004 8:53:58 GMT -5
It's fine to slag other people off, but only if you can back it up with things you do. Amy may be the laziest whiniest person in 'pop'. In fact not maybe, definitely. On T4 she couldn't even be bothered to get up out of her chair to 'sing' and consequently, I couldn't even decipher any words. What is the point? She must be so insecure that the only thing she can do to make herself seem more interesting is to piss off other people
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Post by Smudge on Sept 12, 2004 8:57:03 GMT -5
She's just got a really horrendous voice.
I don't understand why she's so trendy.
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Post by audrey potnoodlehorne on Sept 13, 2004 3:38:19 GMT -5
She reminds me of the "two-face" phenomena in Seinfeld. Sometimes she looks quite nice and yet at other times she looks hideous.
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Post by Devil In Your Car on Sept 13, 2004 4:39:58 GMT -5
Time Out said she looked like a real-life Robert Crumb cartoon which is pretty accurate.
For your consideration:
The case for:
1.Frank is a great album.
2.She sometimes talks to herself for no reason in interviews.
3.She had a bottle of Jack Daniels in her shopping basket in the Observer Food Monthly.
4.She once mistook Moira Stewart for Shirley Bassey.
5.Simon Amstell flirts with her every time she appears on Popworld, which is quite remarkable.
The case against:
1.She has a tendency to distort her some of best songs into a tuneless mess when singing live.
2.She is a big fan of The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, which is, of course, rubbish.
3.I wouldn't let any daughter of mine live on her own in Camden, smoke bifters all afternoon and walk around in a miniskirt when it's brass monkeys outside.
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Post by drbastard on Sept 13, 2004 7:04:42 GMT -5
Hmm. You all seem to think I'm some bitchy madman. Back to my point! Amy WInebar has a nose so big she can smell the future coupled with a charisma that is like a knitting pattern. I agree she gives out great interviews but if her music is pony then what is the point? And it IS really pony. Dido may be a pain in the butt sometimes but I would go for Here With Me/Hunter/Take My Hand/Sand In My Shoes over that big nosed slug anyday. |
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Post by costas on Sept 13, 2004 9:54:16 GMT -5
Amy WInebar has a nose so big she can smell the future Hoho! Every morning she wakes up and smells the coffee. In Brazil. etc. |
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Post by Flimbo on Sept 13, 2004 12:48:40 GMT -5
Blasphemy!
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Post by miumiu on Sept 13, 2004 13:44:52 GMT -5
I concur.
It seems to me that this is exactly the type of music that is for people who don't want to like pop and don't want to like jamie cullum, and want to be trendy.
Sharon Osbourne used this comment on X-Factor, but I think it applies equally well here, she's got a nose like a pick axe...
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Post by Mushroom on Sept 15, 2004 3:44:30 GMT -5
I've never heard any of her songs, maybe I should be greatful. My friend hates her though, I think her chosen phrase was "I want to kick her until she's dead and shit on her corpse."
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Post by PushTheBuena on Sept 15, 2004 5:36:24 GMT -5
Frank is brilliant.
She's shit live.
She's gives great interview.
Quote for the nose people: "I'm ugly, I don't give a shit". So ha!
She rules.
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Post by willpower on Oct 9, 2004 11:11:05 GMT -5
Frank is brilliant. She's shit live. She's gives great interview. Quote for the nose people: "I'm ugly, I don't give a shit". So ha! She rules. agree with all of the above. i saw her a V2004 and was really disappointed... she really does mess up her songs live. they all sounded like the same funk dirge. and why shouldnt she take the piss out of Dido?? |
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Post by Tim on Oct 9, 2004 13:10:54 GMT -5
This woman annoys the living hell out of me. She's not even famous, but yet thinks it's totally fine to take the rip out of the far more successful Dido...sour grapes, anyone? But you're not famous and you think it's ok to "take the rip" out of Amy Winehouse. Dr Bastard has clearly been hurt by girls in his life. A lot of anger there. And she has a large nose because she's Jewish, you fucking morons. |
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Post by drbastard on Oct 10, 2004 3:48:18 GMT -5
But you're not famous and you think it's ok to "take the rip" out of Amy Winehouse. Dr Bastard has clearly been hurt by girls in his life. A lot of anger there. And she has a large nose because she's Jewish, you fucking morons. What? So all Jewish people have big noses? Or is this you taking the piss out of me now? So what, I'm not famous and nobody has hurt me. Considering all the shit I've had to put up with I'm very stable actually. I could become famous one day. If I publish a book about wizards and fucking orcs or whatever. Anyway, back to my point. She is shite, her music sounds no different to Dido, in my opinion. Also, 19 has different fingers in different pies. For banal crap they have Rachel Stevens. For tweens they have S Club 8. For Avril types they had Amy Studt. So what type of demographic do you think Winebar has been aimed at? It's just my shitty opinion obviously. |
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Post by Tim on Oct 10, 2004 4:22:08 GMT -5
What? So all Jewish people have big noses? No, but it's a fairly common genetic trait. Amy's Jewishness is as plain as the nose on her face. To use it as a term of abuse is akin to saying you hate Andre 3000 because he has a wide nose and thick lips. It was pretty dumb thing to say (and I'm not referring just to you but to everyone who jumped on the "Hur hur yeah she has a big nose!" bandwagon.) The music is irrelevant. I like it, you don't - who cares? But to attack the girl based on her appearance is obscene. Amy has never tried to sell herself based on any claim to prettiness (though she's the most sexually magnetic person I've ever met). So are we saying she's not allowed to make music you don't like because you find her face unattractive? I could go to the moon if I learned how to be an astronaut and got accepted into a NASA program. What are you talking about? Er . . . and? I guess the demographic she's aimed at is people who like her album! Who those people are I couldn't say. They don't concern me. I like what she does and if anyone else likes it then that'll mean I get to hear a second album - which is a bonus, for me anyway. So is it 19 you're mad about? Or girls who make music? Or just the whole world? |
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Post by drbastard on Oct 11, 2004 6:28:38 GMT -5
No, but it's a fairly common genetic trait. Amy's Jewishness is as plain as the nose on her face. No it's not. That's what you call a stereotype. In fact I didn't even know Amy Winebar was Jewish until you brought it up. I wouldn't give a shit, she does have a big nose and her music is piss. My opinion isn't that important and since this is the Clowns Of Pop forums I don't see the big deal in me attacking her here. Alright so you like her, that's fine. But I think you may be taking me far too seriously for your own good. Rachel Stevens is Jewish. She doesn't have a big nose. I hate her too. And Westlife. And Justin. they aren't Jewish, are they? Who cares really? It's fun to bash them and it doesn't harm anyone, does it? I rather think your attitude does more damage, the whole "Oh Dr Bastard must hate all women!" No, actually my favourite artists are all women and some of my best friends are too. I always go on about Betty Boo for God sake. She is a woman for a fact. Honestly, Tim. I may appear scatterbrained. I am anything but and I can argue eloquently when it suits my purposes. The point I originally made was that Amy was as manufactured and as crap as the artists she slags off. Just like Jentina, we don't need more crap fakey singers clogging up the charts. What the hell does Amy give me that Suzanne Vega can't give me better? Or any other female singer/songwriter? Nothing. And that isn't anytihng to do with her status or race. That's to do with her being rubbish. |
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Post by Tim on Oct 11, 2004 6:58:02 GMT -5
1. You really should check your facts before you make claims. Amy isn't manufactured in any way shape or form (not that that would matter). She has a manager who is employed by 19, end of. Everything else comes from her and her band. If you're so concerned with people being fake (though I have no idea what that actually means) then Amy is 100% kosher.
2. And talking of kosher: That's not a stereotype. Her facial features are a genetic trait that not all but some people of Jewish extraction carry. Amy's Jewishness is very clearly visible. And if you knew anything about her you'd have seen her regularly described as looking like the archetypal 'Jewish princess'. Are you really that unworldly? That's why I brought up the idea that you wouldn't dare say you disliked a black person because they had a wide flat nose (or maybe you would?). Not all those of African origin have that trait but many do - it's a strong identifiable feature of their genetic heritage and using it as an insult is just plain dumb. And what's the problem with having a large nose anyway? Jewish or not. What's the point in saying it? What does it mean? Insulting someone's appearance is "fun" is it? "It doesn't harm anyone"? Glad I never went to your school.
3. Everytime I corner you on something you change your argument. You brought up her appearance - it was an ignorant thing to say. Now you pretend that all it was was about the music and some ill-informed argument about authenticity. Read your own threads back!
4. I don't take you seriously at all. I think you're an idiot and most of the time I just ignore your posts. This time I thought I'd see how easy it was to shoot down your tedious 'bastard' persona. Turned out it was very easy.
Ha ha!
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Post by KentDan on Oct 11, 2004 11:43:20 GMT -5
What annoys me is that people would rather put up with blandy celebrities who smile all the time, exhibit no hint of some kind of opinion and claim they love everyone in entertainment - at least Amy is honest and in turn, highly entertaining. I don't see why she needs to have loads of success just to be able to do that - most of us lot on here slag people off all the time and we don't have to produce our CVs everytime we do so!
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Post by Dudie on Oct 11, 2004 13:36:19 GMT -5
Hmmm. I'm not so sure. Most celebrities, if they've got half a brain cell, should be aware that they have been very very lucky. There's usually a lot of talent out there,just as talented if not more so etc. and it's just the timing, serendipity, Zeitgeist, call it what you will , that catapults them to stardom over another poor sod who's dumped or never makes it in the first place. I think that this means they should show a little humility. They are in the fortunate position to be gracious to their rivals. A lot of us are just punters, or musicians trying to make it on here and if we can get some entertainment in pulling them to bits or defending them if we are so inclined. Why not?
Most stars who slag others off do it out of ego, insecurity or envy in my opinion and it doesn't make them look interesting in my eyes. It makes them look sad.
P.S. I'm aware of the irony of a Xina fan saying this, but it's the least admirable thing about her as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Storm on Oct 13, 2004 6:12:54 GMT -5
Tim is of course very right in this instance.
Amy is also very, very talented, and her album is quite simply awesome.
Somebody mentioned earlier in the thread that it was rubbish cos it was music for people that didn'tn like pop, like Jamie Cullum's music. If people didn't put stuff into little boxes, and just listened to her album for what it is, I'm sure more people would actually like it.
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Post by willpower on Oct 13, 2004 7:15:22 GMT -5
Tim is of course very right in this instance. Amy is also very, very talented, and her album is quite simply awesome. Somebody mentioned earlier in the thread that it was rubbish cos it was music for people that didn'tn like pop, like Jamie Cullum's music. If people didn't put stuff into little boxes, and just listened to her album for what it is, I'm sure more people would actually like it. hoorah for you and hoorah for Tim quite "frank"ly... |
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Post by Tim on Oct 13, 2004 7:23:56 GMT -5
Hooray for everyone!
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Post by Jen on Oct 20, 2004 17:32:22 GMT -5
. If people didn't put stuff into little boxes, and just listened to her album for what it is, I'm sure more people would actually like it. Isn't that contradictory Storm? To say we shouldnt put things into boxes but enjoy an album for what it is- well what is it? I may be tripping up on your wording here, you may just mean music, but otherwise I'm confused. I don't like it when people slag off other popstars as I want everyone to love each other, but Amy is pretty fab- even though she wears some questionable clothes and has a remarkably janice-from-friends-like laugh. |
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Post by Storm on Oct 21, 2004 5:59:41 GMT -5
Isn't that contradictory Storm? To say we shouldnt put things into boxes but enjoy an album for what it is- well what is it? I may be tripping up on your wording here, you may just mean music, but otherwise I'm confused. I don't like it when people slag off other popstars as I want everyone to love each other, but Amy is pretty fab- even though she wears some questionable clothes and has a remarkably janice-from-friends-like laugh. That's what I mean - music. Just listen to it - have no preconceptions, judge it on merit. I was simply saying that there were people on here that seemed to not like it cos they feel she's 'anti-pop' and lump her in with some of the other 'jazz' type people that are around. |
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