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Post by Tim on Mar 24, 2005 13:53:51 GMT -5
Somehow I think drugs binges and Celebrity Big Brother had more to do with it, though. At least in my generation. Aha, but your generation is not the be all and end all and the ultimate judge of everything, is it? My generation know the music they made and that will last longer than the arsing about they do now. Not knowing about things doesn't make you superior, you know? An unknown. Good luck. Well you've just damned yourself there. Are you so insecure in your own tastes that you can't just like something regardless of what other people think? What you've said there actually means that you aren't appreciating Izzard's talent at all. Because if you were then you should be able to appreciate it however successful he was (and he's pretty damn big - I think you might be kidding yourself if you think he's obscure in any way). There's something deeply vile about thinking you're better than 'the masses'. You're not better than me. It has nothing to do with patriotism, what on earth are you talking about? If something's good then it's good. Every now and then something is so good that lots of people gain enjoyment from it (possibly for different reasons) but to pretend you're above people because you've chosen only to like things you think they don't is about the most ridiculous and hateful teenage pretension I've ever heard.
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Post by blokesophie on Mar 24, 2005 14:13:31 GMT -5
Aha, but your generation is not the be all and end all and the ultimate judge of everything, is it? My generation know the music they made and that will last longer than the arsing about they do now. Not knowing about things doesn't make you superior, you know? Soon, we'll all be living like it's a Clockwork Orange and my generation will rape, pillage and torture yours. So yes. You have no clue of what I aspire to be, so don't think you're hurting me by saying that. Thankyou for the good luck, though. Well you've just damned yourself there. Are you so insecure in your own tastes that you can't just like something regardless of what other people think? What you've said there actually means that you aren't appreciating Izzard's talent at all. Because if you were then you should be able to appreciate it however successful he was (and he's pretty damn big - I think you might be kidding yourself if you think he's obscure in any way). There's something deeply vile about thinking you're better than 'the masses'. You're not better than me. It has nothing to do with patriotism, what on earth are you talking about? If something's good then it's good. Every now and then something is so good that lots of people gain enjoyment from it (possibly for different reasons) but to pretend you're above people because you've chosen only to like things you think they don't is about the most ridiculous and hateful teenage pretension I've ever heard. I just find that a fair few things that are popular in this country also happen to be associated with idiocy. Example, football. I'm fairly ashamed to be considered English at this moment in time. I don't think I'm better than the masses, but, statistically speaking, I am. So are you. You're more literate than a vast majority of them. What I meant was, if Izzard was a hugely, sensationally popular act, in England, then he'd be the type of act that's popular in England...which is a type I don't like. Perhaps patriotism was the wrong word...nationalism was what I was going for.
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Post by flufff on Mar 24, 2005 14:29:43 GMT -5
Leave the comic relief songs to McFly thank you very much. Ahh, I think we've found the root of the concern. Tony Christie has outsold the McFly Comic Relief single despite not getting anything like the promotion. It seems people are buying it because they enjoy it. Heaven forbid. Tony Christie is featured in my pop encyclopaedia and even if he wasn't - so? And what the fuck is so idiotic about football? You don't need a degree to play it, but I know some very clever people that lower themselves to it. This all sounds like snobbery to me. Peter Kay making his 'non-funny' jokes about normal, often working-class people who like football. BTW, if the majority of people you know aspire to be like David Brent then that's a sign that you need to widen your circle of friends. I know many people who love The Office, but have yet to come across one that aspires to be like Brent.
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Post by starla on Mar 24, 2005 14:33:03 GMT -5
I just find that a fair few things that are popular in this country also happen to be associated with idiocy. Example, football. Football, I assosiate Football with athletisism, passion and compition. What exactly is popular in the UK that is not associated with idiocy?
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Post by blokesophie on Mar 24, 2005 14:35:53 GMT -5
And what the fuck is so idiotic about football? You don't need a degree to play it, but I know some very clever people that lower themselves to it. This all sounds like snobbery to me. Peter Kay making his 'non-funny' jokes about normal, often working-class people who like football. I never said that football was idiotic, it's just very easy to associate some aspects of football with idiocy. I never said Peter Kay wasn't funny. BTW, if the majority of people you know aspire to be like David Brent then that's a sign that you need to widen your circle of friends. I know many people who love The Office, but have yet to come across one that aspires to be like Brent. The majority of people I know who watch The Office aspire to be like David Brent. I'm not friends with every single person I know.
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Post by Chris on Mar 24, 2005 14:46:59 GMT -5
I just find that a fair few things that are popular in this country also happen to be associated with idiocy. Example, football. I'm fairly ashamed to be considered English at this moment in time. I don't think I'm better than the masses, but, statistically speaking, I am. So are you. You're more literate than a vast majority of them Are there any more wild and inaccurate aspersions that you wish to cast? You have no place in associating football with idiocy and low intellect, i'm hazarding a guess that you know little about it, and what you know of football supporters is the result of wild media frenzy. Personally, what I find most misguided and abhorrent about your viewpoint is that you believe that to be more literate is to be a better person than your so-called 'masses' (which by the way do not exist). You are not better than somebody because you measure your intellect or literacy as higher than that person. Not all people have been afforded the same opportunities in life that you have and the last time I checked, intelligence was not the be all and end all of the quality of an individual as a human being.
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Post by starla on Mar 24, 2005 14:48:59 GMT -5
Are there any more wild and inaccurate aspersions that you wish to cast? You have no place in assosciating football with idiocy and low intellect, i'm hazarding a guess that you know little about it, and what you know of football supporters is the result of wild media frenzy. Personally, what I find most misguided and abhorrent about your viewpoint is that you believe that to be more literate is to be a better person than your so-called 'masses' (which by the way do not exist). You are not better than somebody because you measure your intellect or literacy as higher than that person. Not have all people been afforded the same opportunities in life that you have and the last time I checked, intelligence was not the be all and end all of the quality of an individual as a human being. well said Chris mate.
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Post by blokesophie on Mar 24, 2005 15:01:24 GMT -5
Are there any more wild and inaccurate aspersions that you wish to cast? You have no place in associating football with idiocy and low intellect, i'm hazarding a guess that you know little about it, and what you know of football supporters is the result of wild media frenzy. Personally, what I find most misguided and abhorrent about your viewpoint is that you believe that to be more literate is to be a better person than your so-called 'masses' (which by the way do not exist). You are not better than somebody because you measure your intellect or literacy as higher than that person. Not all people have been afforded the same opportunities in life that you have and the last time I checked, intelligence was not the be all and end all of the quality of an individual as a human being. I actually know a lot about football, including the ever elusive offside rule. I can play football fairly well, too, and I can do a lot of keepy-uppies. If I had the time, I'd play a lot more football than I do...but I really don't. I don't find watching football to be that entertaining anymore. I'm not saying that intelligence is the be all and end all...but I am naturally bright, and I'm not going to deny it. I take advantage of my intelligence. I'm only in private school because of a scholarship, it's not as if I'm some hugely rich country-clubber. I know people who haven't had great opportunities in their life but have still managed to do amazingly well academically and are very intelligent people. I regard communication as an extremely important thing in many aspects of my life. If I can't communicate on the same level and at the same pace as someone else, I don't feel there's any benefit in it. So yes, literacy is very important to me.
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Post by blokesophie on Mar 24, 2005 15:06:12 GMT -5
Football, I assosiate Football with athletisism, passion and compition. What exactly is popular in the UK that is not associated with idiocy? That's why I dislike the UK as a place. I associate football (as in watching professionals play it) with aggression, violence, corporatism and elitism...combined...not good.
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Post by Jen on Mar 24, 2005 15:08:40 GMT -5
.but I am naturally bright, and I'm not going to deny it. I take advantage of my intelligence. Are you quite sure about that? Because I don't believe you have made one single intelligent or eloquent post on your time on this board, or a point that hasn't been torn apart on challenging. I'd also like to point out that I probably fit into your generation and am well aware that Bez and Shaun are famous for more then Celeb bb and this video. Don't blame your ignorance as being part of our generation. On topic: Peter Kay is brilliant. He makes me cry with laughter. I love this song- its fun, jolly, cheesy, its ressurected someones career and its giving money to charity. Those are all good things in my book. Oh! And it was Peter Kays mother who can't use his answer machine.
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Post by Chris on Mar 24, 2005 15:09:47 GMT -5
I actually know a lot about football, including the ever elusive offside rule. I can play football fairly well, too, and I can do a lot of keepy-uppies. If I had the time, I'd play a lot more football than I do...but I really don't. I don't find watching football to be that entertaining anymore. I'm not saying that intelligence is the be all and end all...but I am naturally bright, and I'm not going to deny it. I take advantage of my intelligence. I'm only in private school because of a scholarship, it's not as if I'm some hugely rich country-clubber. I know people who haven't had great opportunities in their life but have still managed to do amazingly well academically and are very intelligent people. I regard communication as an extremely important thing in many aspects of my life. If I can't communicate on the same level and at the same pace as someone else, I don't feel there's any benefit in it. So yes, literacy is very important to me. No one is doubting your intelligence, I went to private school but as one of your so-called 'country clubbers', but I find it bizzare to assume that being academically capable makes you a better individual or a person of greater worth than someone who is not. There are many other, and arguably superior ways, of measuring the qualities of a human being. Furthermore, intellect will not be your first-class ticket through life that will set you above others because it is not an exclusive commodity. I went to school, I did my GCSEs and I did my A-Levels, I got my string of top grades and got into one of the top universities in the country and what did I find? Another three thousand people who had all achieved exactly the same. It is not an exclusive group but rather one of the 'masses' of which you speak. You are not going to be able to brandish your literacy capabilities or your reading age throughout your adult life and expect that it is going to defeat all in your path because you are by no means extraordinary.
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Post by starla on Mar 24, 2005 15:09:50 GMT -5
That's why I dislike the UK as a place. I associate football (as in watching professionals play it) with aggression, violence, corporatism and elitism...combined...not good. You could say the same about music, art, politics, t.v and film. I guess that's just your depiction.
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Post by blokesophie on Mar 24, 2005 15:14:10 GMT -5
Are you quite sure about that? Because I don't believe you have made one single intelligent or eloquent post on your time on this board, or a point that hasn't been torn apart on challenging. Well, I'm a straight A grade student and I've been shortlisted in my school to apply to Oxbridge. Maybe that just proves what they all say about Universities letting everyone in.
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Post by Chris on Mar 24, 2005 15:16:28 GMT -5
Well, I'm a straight A grade student and I've been shortlisted in my school to applyto Oxbridge. So was I and so did I, it is no unprecedented feat that is not the case of thousands of students up and down the country. You are by no means unique but you seem to think you are.
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Post by blokesophie on Mar 24, 2005 15:17:47 GMT -5
You could say the same about music, art, politics, t.v and film. I guess that's just your depiction. Yup, and I'm entitled to it. I'm not entirely ignorant on any of those subjects, so I can say what I like about them.
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Post by blokesophie on Mar 24, 2005 15:20:42 GMT -5
So was I and so did I, it is no unprecedented feat that is not the case of thousands of students up and down the country. You are by no means unique but you seem to think you are. I think I'm fairly unique...as much as anyone else is. I just very much dislike 'lads' and that whole culture that seems to be impacted upon so many people in the country. Yes, I'm one of thousands...but that's a small proportion compared to the millions of people of this country.
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Post by jud on Mar 24, 2005 16:14:58 GMT -5
Getting back to the topic -
Peter Kay is a comic genius - I used to live in Bolton and I KNOW!
I also like and laugh my socks off at Bill Bailey, Ricky Gervais and Eddie Izzard without worrying about it! Not too keen on Johnny Vegas though.
Amarillo is annoying and cheesy, it is also one of those songs that everyone over a certain age has ingrained deep in their consciousness from hearing it at weddings, family knees ups, drunken nights out etc. which why it was such a good choice. It is not meant to be a cool song. (Although, having said that, it is still better than anything Mc Fly or most current chart acts have written recently or probably ever will write.)
Comic relief songs are not meant to be works of immaculate musicianship - they are meant to make you chuckle for a short while and shell out some dosh, then you give it to the charity shop.
(PS. you can't be 'fairly unique' - that's like saying you are 'slightly dead'. I think you'll also find that a person's sense of humour has nothing whatsoever to do with academic ability or what school they went to)
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Post by blokesophie on Mar 24, 2005 16:32:40 GMT -5
(PS. you can't be 'fairly unique' - that's like saying you are 'slightly dead'. I think you'll also find that a person's sense of humour has nothing whatsoever to do with academic ability or what school they went to) That was an ironic oxymoron there. I think some people fail to realise how self-deprecating I can be. As for sense of humour, are you suggesting Jordan would find Private Eye funny?
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Post by jud on Mar 24, 2005 16:49:32 GMT -5
That was an ironic oxymoron there. I think some people fail to realise how self-deprecating I can be. As for sense of humour, are you suggesting Jordan would find Private Eye funny? And what on earth makes you so sure she wouldn't?
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Post by Chris on Mar 24, 2005 16:57:50 GMT -5
That was an ironic oxymoron there. I think some people fail to realise how self-deprecating I can be. As for sense of humour, are you suggesting Jordan would find Private Eye funny? Yes, why shouldn't she? I've always found it extremely accessible, I expect 'even Jordan' could understand the cartoons. Furthermore, this is kind of my point about you; how you assume that intellect makes you better than those who do not have it, it being intellect in an academic context. Jordan is a shrewd businesswoman, and in that context she is more intelligent than even you.
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Post by blokesophie on Mar 24, 2005 17:00:15 GMT -5
And what on earth makes you so sure she wouldn't? Her political manifesto of 2001: "For a Bigger and Betta Future"
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Post by jud on Mar 24, 2005 17:21:25 GMT -5
To sum this topic up... Tim is God and is right and nobody's opinion matters but his. And if you disagree, you're most probably wrong. Now all of you go back to your The Office Christmas Special DVD cos it's HILARIOUS!! (despite the fact that my generation won't get it cos we're thick as shit) No, you being thick isn't the reason (although you may be - who am I to judge?) Your generation won't get it until you've actually worked in an office and can see how the comedy relates to the reality, whereas a lot of my generation already have.
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Post by flufff on Mar 24, 2005 17:27:20 GMT -5
Is Peter Kay laddish? I never thought he was anything of the sort, but it just goes to show how un-intellectual I am.
Personally, I think Peter Kay is a very intelligent and insightful man. He might not be conventionally intellectual and have an A in GCSE chemistry, but his ability to observe then communicate so effectively, making it look so easy is a talent that is in shorter supply than a place at Oxbridge.
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Post by blokesophie on Mar 24, 2005 17:27:20 GMT -5
No, you being thick isn't the reason (although you may be - who am I to judge?) Your generation won't get it until you've actually worked in an office and can see how the comedy relates to the reality, whereas a lot of my generation already have. Ooooh you lucky buggers.
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Post by Lucy on Mar 24, 2005 17:28:01 GMT -5
No, you being thick isn't the reason (although you may be - who am I to judge?) Your generation won't get it until you've actually worked in an office and can see how the comedy relates to the reality, whereas a lot of my generation already have. Well, I've never worked in an office before and I can see how The Office is funny. Similarly, I can also see why so many people find it boring. It's got nothing to do with which generation you're from, it's just personal taste.
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Post by jud on Mar 24, 2005 17:35:25 GMT -5
Well, I've never worked in an office before and I can see how The Office is funny. Similarly, I can also see why so many people find it boring. It's got nothing to do with which generation you're from, it's just personal taste. Agreed. But it's even funnier if you've got a boss who's been on a management course!
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Post by AugustMoon on Mar 24, 2005 20:02:29 GMT -5
I like the video with the sound turned off. Maybe I've heard that kind of music being made fun of too often.
You Britons do take humour seriously, don't you? Four pages of quarrels about it! Impressive.
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Post by aldo on Mar 24, 2005 21:10:32 GMT -5
Your generation won't get it until you've actually worked in an office and can see how the comedy relates to the reality, whereas a lot of my generation already have. OK we're young, we're not retarded. Seriously this is annoying me. Working in an office isnt like some sort of top secret mystery that is only unlocked when you hit 45 or whatever. You dont need to be a dinnerlady to enjoy Dinnerladies. Fair enough maybe it's more enjoyable to you cos u can go 'wow, how crazy, my boss is also as dull as that character is portrayed. be still my beating heart.' but in the end of the day, the reason I don't like it is because I don't find it funny. Can you please get over the fact that not everybody agrees with you? If you're all as mature as you claim to be, stop throwing hissy fits like 6 year old girls just cos someone has another opinion.
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Post by flufff on Mar 25, 2005 3:59:23 GMT -5
The humour in The Office is a lot more subtle than the boss being dull, and while it's true you don't need to have worked in an office to get it, if you've never spent any time in an office then you should be open to the possibility that the reason you don't get all of the humour isn't because the jokes are crap, but because some of them are passing you by altogether.
I don't think you need to have worked in an office to get The Office, although it helps. It's ultimately a comedy about how people interact, about vanities, insecurities, snobbery and ambition. It's a bit like this thread.
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Post by Dudie on Mar 25, 2005 5:24:03 GMT -5
The humour in the Office stems mainly from highlighting the pretentions, arrogance and sheer arsiness of certain folk. This thread has served to do the same with fewer (but by no means no) laughs.
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