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Post by Storm on Oct 28, 2005 14:44:22 GMT -5
I can't believe no one has put this wench in here yet!
Really, I don't think I've ever gone from liking a popstar to hating them so intensely in such a short time. Completely lacking in any kind of integrity or humility, she is a shining example of how to alienate your own fanbase.
The constant 'slagging' that she keeps doing is now completely tiresome, and smacks of someone that's been taking too much advice from their good friend Jordan. Xtina, Tatu, Girls Aloud - all rubbished by someone so obviously trying to get as much publicity as possible. And it's the manner of her insulsts that are so galling 'Tell her to come back when she can sing Pie Jesu' she says of Cheryl Tweedy despite the fact that anybody that knows anything about classical/opera music would laugh at Charlotte's idea that she's actually halfway decent at singing this stuff. 'Me and her - singing contest' she challenges - it's so childish, it's almost funny. She obviously rates herself as a singer - OK love, if you're so sure of yourself, why not have one with Joss Stone. Or Xtina. Or even someone like Jamelia. And the whole 'One of Tatu is a minger' thing - erm, Charlotte, we've seen pictures of you without make up remember? She keeps harping on about how many albums she's sold - fair enough, but this is your first pop album, it's rubbish despite spending about three years making it, and hardly anyone's bought it!
Wench!
Rant over!
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Post by Mike on Oct 28, 2005 15:03:53 GMT -5
I don't hate her as a person, but with the exception of James Blunt's Back To Bedlam (yes OK OK, I've already repented and promised to sin no more etc etc)Tissues And Issues has been the biggest waste of money this year, in terms of how much I've actually played it. It's full of fillers, and that Let's Be Alone song is horrible. Swizz!
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Post by Robbing the Dezan on Oct 28, 2005 17:56:34 GMT -5
I must agree with Mr. Storm. I really liked Crazy Chick, but have just tired of her bad attitude. Ungracious bitch. Charlotte calling Lena t.A.T.u. a minger is like Jade Goody calling Jordan stupid.
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Post by browneyedboy on Oct 28, 2005 18:06:10 GMT -5
Poor Charlotte. Her Gav has had a lot of shit thrown at him in the last couple of weeks for being outspoken too, and his response has been "I'm just being honest".
When it comes to the greatest Pop/Sports match made in heaven since David & Victoria, it just HAS to be Cheryl and Ashley. Gavin looks lovely from the neck down but his face is like a lego man that's been too close to a cigarette lighter and all he's done really was kick a ball in the England Wales match.
Charlotte needs to remember her roots (Splott) and shut her fucking mouth once in a while.
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Post by Steveweiser on Oct 28, 2005 18:16:10 GMT -5
What's worse is that Charlotte's proven to be two-faced. Cheryl Tweedy said in a radio interview this week that the last time Girls Aloud and Charlotte were at the same place, Charlotte ran up to them to say hello and smiled a lot. Cheryl's convinced that Charlotte's talking the talk and can't back it up.
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Post by drbastard on Oct 29, 2005 3:34:58 GMT -5
Cheryl Tweedy can be a bitch too, let's be fair. And she complained when some football fans spat on her and slapped her when she did the same thing to someone else. I don't mind Charlotte. Musically, she does nothing for me, personality wise I love the drama. The tabs are a better place with her anarchic life playing for us all to see. Also, calling her a bitch is fine and well but she's got to be - she has her vile ex attempting to extort money from her and friends stabbing her in the back. I could easily become an uber bitch just like Church.
She's richer than God! She doesn't care if her album flops or whatever. She's only doing her singing thing to pass the time.
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Post by ttoby on Oct 29, 2005 4:23:04 GMT -5
What he said. I still think she's super. If I knew her I've no doubt I'd kidnap her and torture her till she swore we could be best friends forever.
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Post by flufff on Oct 29, 2005 7:51:11 GMT -5
Charlotte could be brilliant, but she needs to go away and grow-up properly. Drinking alco-pops and wearing lots of make-up does not make you grown-up.
What's worse is the contradictions. She started off well saying that she wasn't going to rely on using her body to sell herself, and slagged off Rebecca Loos and her ex boyfriend for doing kiss and tell, then Abi Titmuss for being famous for being famous, then she's supposed to be friends with Jordan, who has done all those things she supposedly hates. Fair enough, Jordan was probably playing up the friends thing to get more money for her wedding photos, but her image is a mess.
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Post by calvinsteps on Oct 30, 2005 13:18:06 GMT -5
I dont think shes a clown of pop : (
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Post by passionoia on Oct 30, 2005 17:39:16 GMT -5
Cheryl Tweedy can be a bitch too, let's be fair. But the difference is Charlotte's moments now increasingly seem to come from 'i'll slag off some easy target and people'll like me' motivation whereas Cheryl's are motivated by the fact that the person has done something to upset her, or she really doesn't like someone, it's motivated by malice not the need for approval, as such while the behaviour is no more or less admirable she's being truer to herself and therefore I personally find it more understandable and forgivable. Like Storm mentions, she goes for easy targets, the best example was when asked to rate Dannii and Kylie's singing ability to which she slagged Dannii saying she can't sing but praised Kylie by saying she could. I know we all have our opinions on who's the better singer blah, blah, blah... (that's an argument for another day) but when it comes down to it there's not a world of difference between the two, though maybe Charlotte does disagree but there's another, more obvious difference between the two and that is you can slag Dannii off and not many will care, Kylie on the other hand and the world and it's mother will turn on you. You just don't do it! I also hate the way everyone excuses her behaviour as 'oh she's being honest' or the worst phrase ever 'she speaks her mind' a sentance used by social inepts the world over who lack the empathy and intelligence to understand the things they say can have consequences and think that by saying (or most the time screeching it at the top of their voice) that little line it totally excuses them from any hurt or trouble they've caused. There's a difference between being honest and slagging people off. Infact people ho slag others off are generally the types who do it because they want to avoid talking about themselves and therefore aren't as 'honest' as they make out. As for her 'anarcic' life, it's no such thing. It's about as interesting as Rachel Stevens, the only difference is when Charlotte smokes a cigarette everyone creates a frenzy because she was this sweet little girl. Apart from the fact she's travelled the world singing for word leaders she has done nothing anymore interesting than any other young girl her age. Granted the fact her boyfriend was gonna sell stuff to the papers was kinda exciting but it was the situation more than the stuff he was gonna tell and it was a situation that was totally constructed by the media. They annouced her life was interesting and people believed thus putting in him in the place to sell her 'outrageous' secrets about how he snogged her in the bus-stop, got to third base in his mums front room and how Char had rows with her mum....WOW!!! Though believe it or not I do like the girl, most the time she comes across as a rather charming young woman I just think she's increasingly becoming a victim of her own hype and playing up to this persona the media have created around her. There's this whole sense of 'Go on Char, be a bad girl...say something bitchy' and like an obediant puppy she's barking to order and giving them what they want. Maybe I'm totally wrong but that's how I kinda see it and if so it's a bit of a shame. I'm also pissed off she didn't go down a more Sarah Brightman-esque direction in her new music career, bringing her classical roots with her into the world of pop instead of the not bad but not particularly mindblowing or interesting route she has.
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Post by drbastard on Oct 31, 2005 3:32:16 GMT -5
As for her 'anarcic' life, it's no such thing. It's about as interesting as Rachel Stevens, the only difference is when Charlotte smokes a cigarette everyone creates a frenzy because she was this sweet little girl. Apart from the fact she's travelled the world singing for word leaders she has done nothing anymore interesting than any other young girl her age. That's the whole point though. The angle the papers can sell the Hell's Angel thing from is that we watched Charlotte grow up and become a mad boozer. Plus she's a millionaire. Dislike her you may but she IS interesting to read about unlike Rachel. Her name is Church for God sake! It's too perfect. I can't say anything about her slagging off easy targets. I do it constantly but then, I'm doing a Cheryl Tweedy. The only thing Charlotte has done to annoy me is slag off tATu, which is just wrong.
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Post by helen0888 on Nov 1, 2005 14:50:26 GMT -5
i made a thread about his on page 2 of this board, but i got shot down for it.
im on your side storm!
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Post by splitchick59 on Nov 2, 2005 17:36:49 GMT -5
She's so annoying...
Hell, i'd put her in a singing contest with Nadine Coyle.
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Post by passionoia on Nov 2, 2005 21:16:56 GMT -5
The angle the papers can sell the Hell's Angel thing from is that we watched Charlotte grow up and become a mad boozer. No we've watched her grow up and become old enough to drink. However because we've seen her as a young sweet girl the press amplify this fact that she's now an adult who drinks like many a girl her age and turn her into this 'mad boozer' on the route to self destruction. They make stupid people believe what they are reading is more interesting than it actually is and it works (as Victoria Newtons continued career shows). All you need is an angle and Charlotte has the fact she was a sweet young girl and as such whenever she does anything 'grown up', however unremarkable a frenzy is created.
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Post by agrippina on Nov 3, 2005 8:35:01 GMT -5
I find it tiresome that every time she has a drink or a smoke she ends up in the paper with some sort of "Fallen Angel!" caption next to her, but that isn't her fault. What is her fault is the way she keeps slagging off other popstars. She ought to keep her mouth shut because it just shows her up as being rather childish. And I agree with Passionoia - her pop stuff really isn't interesting enough to mark her out amongst all the other female singers, and she should have carried on down the classical route.
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Post by drbastard on Nov 4, 2005 8:00:39 GMT -5
Like I said, she doesn't need to care what route she goes down. She's super rich and is only passing the time until she can buy the planet.
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Post by browneyedboy on Nov 7, 2005 12:31:40 GMT -5
I haven't got the album and thought the last two singles were good, if not great, and saw her singing Even God on Parkinson at the weekend.
I was surprised at how little vocal identity she had. She sang in tune and it sounded reasonably heartfelt but compared to say a Coyle or a Tweedy or even a Roberts she sounded quite bland.
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Post by 97williamsb on Nov 7, 2005 16:50:36 GMT -5
I like about 4 songs on her album. Um...its not a terrible album. But its not great either. I find her voice...nauseating. It just isn't a great "pop" voice like the vocals Girls Aloud have or Rachel Stevens even. And her attitude stinks. She slags off everyone...at the time of a single release. Wonder who she'll go for at Xmas with the Even God crap.
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Post by gatoinfeliz on Nov 8, 2005 19:39:00 GMT -5
I can't believe you are calling her voice nauseating and praising Rachel Stevens when she is lacking in the vocal department. She uses the same pitch and the same whispered manner in every song. Girls Aloud as well, they sound like their vocals have been overly-processed with Pro Tools especially on Biology.
Charlotte can't alienate her fan-base because it doesn't exist. What I mean is that this is her first foray into pop music so she is establishing it, it's not automatically the base she had with the classical music. She can rant and rave all she wants. Everyone does it once in their life except that she does it regularly and gets slamed for it. So typical for someone with a Girls Aloud avatar to start this thread.
Don't get me wrong, believe me or not I love all the mentioned artists. I just don't believe that to love one's music, I have to automatically hate another's.
I actually do think Charlotte has an appropriate voice for pop music. I just think she has to get used to singing in this style since she has been singing in different regesters before this album.
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Post by drbeat on Dec 3, 2005 13:56:28 GMT -5
Charlotte Church needs a huge slap, or as Tatu said to be shot by them..no maybe thats too drastic. Its plain and simple, she is a bitch, she has lived from the age of 11 or 12 with everybody praising the ground she walks on so she has grown up thinking she is something special. Her voice when singing classical IS something special but singing pop its not great just good, I dont find her particularly good looking, just ordinary, yes she is proud of her body because its "normal", but the tabloids need to stop saying she has a healthy body while somebody like Nadine Coyle has an unhealthy body because its not true, binge drinking and smoking are NOT healthy. She needs to stop slagging people off because frankly she aint all that. She has a career now vaguely because of the fact she used to sing and now has had two minor hits, Charlotte Church the brand is based almost totally on a tabloid image rather than talent much like a number of the people that she slags off. I thought I had to say something because she slated Mariah Carey for showing off to much skin. Newsflash Ms Church, you showed off skin in your last video and didnt even look good, you looked like a dumpy bow legged whore, She probably will last pretty long as a celebrity but I would guess purely upon the image she has rather than her current chosen career.
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Post by azura on Dec 3, 2005 16:05:10 GMT -5
I like her to be honest. She makes me laugh with all her delusions. Plus the video for Call My Name is the funniest thing ever with her wobbling breasts in a top about seven sizes two small for her.
I think the tabloids are a bit stupid- she isn't doing anything most girls her age aren't doing. To be honest she seems quite nice in interviews with her and not tabloid soundbites.
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Post by flufff on Dec 4, 2005 4:19:42 GMT -5
I think Charlotte does need to tone down some of her tabloid attracting antics. Her behaviour might not be all that unusual for someone her age, but it's a cop out to say everyone else is doing it, and not everyone else is followed by the tabloids.
Her vocals on Crazy Chick and Call My Name were excellent pop vocals, but for Even God it sounds like she's not trying to sing it as a pop singer, and it's a nod back to her classical roots. I think singing it like that was a decision between her and the producers that might be right, might be wrong. I like the idea of doing something a bit more classical, but it's bound to cause confusion for the sceptical.
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Post by azura on Dec 4, 2005 7:50:03 GMT -5
I don't see how it's a cop out to be honest. The tabloids really are stupid, though not as stupid as people who believe most of what's in them.
The whole Kate Moss thing was pathetic- the entire fashion industry is known for snorting mountains of cocaine, though it seems it hasn't done her career much harm in the long run. And I'm no fan of Kate Moss or her waster boyfriend, but the hypocrisy of it all was annoying.
I agree about Charlotte Church's voice not suiting pop- she sounds like she wants to sing all her pop songs as classical songs. But I also agree with above posters- she can do whatever the hell she wants.
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