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Post by garfmonster on Nov 8, 2005 14:22:54 GMT -5
I'm so annoyed at Madonna. After the politics heavy (and many say quite pants) American Life she completely folds to consumer demands and predictably releases a pure dance album. I forgave her for that. But the heinous "I love New York" song on Confessions is clearly a response to all the criticism shes received about living in London, marrying a Brit, and talking in an English accent. It even contains the line "Los Angeles is for people who sleep, Paris and London, Baby you can keep." What a hypocritical, money grabbing cow. It's trading on the post 9-11 patriotism of Americans to regain some lost popularity in the states.
And she rhymes " f off" with "golf". Which is almost worse than "my father had to go to work, i used to think he was a jerk". Or "singy singy singy, like a bird on a wingy wingy wingy".
And did you notice, Madonna fans, when added to your iTunes "Confessions" comes in right below "Bedtime Stories" - both albums have a song called "Forbidden Love" as track 7. And on "Confessions", the song "Jump" is followed by the song "How high" - a reference to how badly she sold herself out on this album perhaps??
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Post by PopPony: Bored in Canada on Nov 8, 2005 14:34:24 GMT -5
Although I agree that 'I love New York 'sounds like a blatant "Yoo Hoo America! I'm back!", you may be going a little too far with the jumping too high thing. Next thing you'll be playing it backwards and hearing her chanting "Death to all horses" in Hebrew...
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Post by garfmonster on Nov 8, 2005 14:50:14 GMT -5
I was just joking about that bit actually. Thanks for agreeing though.
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Post by SpinDerellum on Nov 8, 2005 15:08:41 GMT -5
Yes, that's right, Madonna is evil.
She blows up subway trains, rams car bombs into buildings, decapitates hostages and booby traps dead babies innards with nail bombs, all in the name of twisted religion.
She's done a song telling everyone her love of New York, even though she lives in London. Might as well call Girls Aloud liars because 2005 wasn't a long hot summer they said it was.
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Post by Spiceboy on Nov 8, 2005 15:10:19 GMT -5
I had misgivings when I first heard about her complete change of direction (Conveniantly coinciding with the public consensus that no one really liked what she was up to before) But Madonna has always been a very commercial artist, and it's to be expected thatr she's be trying something new with this album because that's pretty much her trademark.
I'm still not 100% satisfied with the politics surrounding this record, and can't help but taste some cynicism- but mostly I'm glad she's released a catchy tune that is getting a lot of play, both on the radio and on the dance floor (It's been too long since Madonna's been playing in the clubs- it is kind of where she belongs)
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Post by sinitta on Nov 8, 2005 15:51:40 GMT -5
What's always mystified me is what exactly the so called political comments were on the American Life album.
What do people mean when they say this?
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Post by garfmonster on Nov 8, 2005 16:32:37 GMT -5
Yes, that's right, Madonna is evil. She blows up subway trains, rams car bombs into buildings, decapitates hostages and booby traps dead babies innards with nail bombs, all in the name of twisted religion. She's done a song telling everyone her love of New York, even though she lives in London. Might as well call Girls Aloud liars because 2005 wasn't a long hot summer they said it was. Oh my God! She really does all that? How awful. What you weren't being serious? Oh me either imagine that! Now piss off. |
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Post by Martino on Nov 8, 2005 17:03:03 GMT -5
or... maybe she geuinly does love new york, and thought it might be a bit fun to sang a song about it and have a dance whle she was at it.
stop reading in to things, you'll have more fun that way.
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Post by Federline! on Nov 8, 2005 17:35:48 GMT -5
Or maybe, it's all really bland music and doesn't really warrant any discussion at all!
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Post by gatoinfeliz on Nov 8, 2005 19:22:12 GMT -5
New York is where she started to make a name for herself when she moved from Michigan. It's basically an ode to the city that started her career, it's where she was discovered in one of its many clubs.
I also agree about American Life. It's about as political as a Cheeky Girls song.
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Post by canuckfuk on Nov 8, 2005 20:56:04 GMT -5
Evil or not the album is blah. Not bad; but, not worth the hype it's been receiving.
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Post by drbastard on Nov 9, 2005 2:44:54 GMT -5
What's always mystified me is what exactly the so called political comments were on the American Life album. What do people mean when they say this? Oh God YES! Madonna's songs aren't controversial, it's her videos and it was the American Life video that caused all the trouble not the album, which is still amazing. Anyway, Madonna started in the disco's of New York so it makes sense for her to pen a love song to the city for an album that is, in essence, a Danceteria soundtrack for the year 2050. |
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Post by Jem on Nov 9, 2005 4:16:45 GMT -5
On the plus side (as far as I know) there is no rapping
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Post by fitz on Nov 9, 2005 4:18:18 GMT -5
If I remember, in the Attitude interview, Madonna says I Love New York is a bit of a tongue-in-cheek song about the city that formed her, not to be too taken seriously. I haven't heard it but she sings something like, "I love New York/ Every other city makes me feel like a dork"... not only is that a bit clunky but it's obviously humorous.
Madonna's sense of humour is mostly kept well hidden, but it surely does exist... how else would you explain the new hair-do and that horrific purple get-up she wore to the Harry Potter premiere?
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Post by drbastard on Nov 10, 2005 2:47:06 GMT -5
On the plus side (as far as I know) there is no rapping If that is a reference to American Life, it is meant to be a comedy rap. For God sake she's rapping about her nannies, lawyers and the like. Kylie's a shit rapper though, nowhere near the league of greatness that is Betty Boo. Then again, not many are. |
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Post by diamond doggie bag on Nov 10, 2005 6:07:14 GMT -5
On the plus side (as far as I know) there is no rapping If that is a reference to American Life, it is meant to be a comedy rap. For God sake she's rapping about her nannies, lawyers and the like. Oh, it was funny alright. I never bought the claim the rap was supposed to be ironic or comedic. The last couple of lines suggests Madonna is being totally serious here (the whole "extreme point of view" nonsense). And it was curious indeed that it only become a comedy rap according to her fans after they realised the entire world was laughing their arses off at the old girl. Madonna has certainly never hinted at that - especially when she performs AL live. Now, the "singy, singy, singy etc ..." line out of the stellar Impressive Instant on the otherhand is seven shades of brilliant. All things being equal, you'd have to be a bit of a dunce to be complaining about it really. So should've been a single. |
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Post by drbastard on Nov 10, 2005 7:47:10 GMT -5
I loved that song too. But American Life is even better and the video has a superb sense of tongue right in cheek. It IS meant to be funny but of course you can be funny and have a sense of seriousness mixed in too. It is possible I think.
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Post by gatoinfeliz on Nov 10, 2005 9:00:31 GMT -5
If that is a reference to American Life, it is meant to be a comedy rap. For God sake she's rapping about her nannies, lawyers and the like. Oh, it was funny alright. I never bought the claim the rap was supposed to be ironic or comedic. The last couple of lines suggests Madonna is being totally serious here (the whole "extreme point of view" nonsense). And it was curious indeed that it only become a comedy rap according to her fans after they realised the entire world was laughing their arses off at the old girl. Madonna has certainly never hinted at that - especially when she performs AL live. Now, the "singy, singy, singy etc ..." line out of the stellar Impressive Instant on the otherhand is seven shades of brilliant. All things being equal, you'd have to be a bit of a dunce to be complaining about it really. So should've been a single. That's why her "comeback" with the Music album dwindled . She was really pushing for that song to be a single but Warner didn't let her. So she made the crap What It Feels Like For A Girl her third and final single to spite them. She spent a lot of money on the video that got banned and afterwards refused to continue promoting the album as retaliation. I'm really not making this shit up. Madonna doesn't have all the control in her music as everyone wants to believe. After Erotica, she wanted to continue in that dance direction but her label refused and so she made the r&b Bedtime Stories instead. |
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Post by sinitta on Nov 10, 2005 10:03:55 GMT -5
How can "Music" be a come back album when "Ray Of Light", her last album before it had been huge?
She didn't exactly stop promoting "Music" after "What it Feels Like", she went on a world tour with a set list that included about 70% of that album.
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Post by Federline! on Nov 10, 2005 14:38:44 GMT -5
I've never claimed American Life was political, but it DID have too much of a message. I don't care what life-philosophy to which she subscribes, I just want good music.
AL had a few brilliant moments. Confessions, as I believe canuckfck has pointed out, is essentially AL substituting Price for Ahmadzai: all about the Kaballah, living life better, evalutating her goals and choices, blah blah blah. That's why the best songs are "Hung Up," "Sorry" and "Jump," in my opinion, because they're not about anything.
Ray of Light was very personal, of course, but somehow she managed to take what she was feeling and make it relatable to all of us. "Nothing really matters/Love is all we need/Everything I give you/All comes back to me" is all about Kaballah, but doesn't seem like it; rather, it's a simple statement about loving someone.
THAT was the genius of Ray of Light...clearly, she was involved with the writing very much, but it appears to me that Orbit, Leonard, Nowels et. al. had a much larger hand in the songwriting that Madonna at that stage.
Music and American Life seem to showcase more of a composer/lyricist relationship between Mirwais and Madonna...and quite frankly, Madge is a piss-poor lyricist. The words don't flow for me the way the should in a well-crafted pop song.
And now she's teamed with Stuart, who while clearly possessing an amazing level of skill at what he does, really doesn't vary the structure of his music enough for my tastes. I've no doubt that Confessions will be one of the best albums ever released for swallowing some X and writhing around with some close friends, it's certainly not the "dance-pop tour-de-force" everyone claimed it was.
That said, it's not acoustic guitars or the repeated whistling of a Lil' Jon production, so it's heads and shoulders above most other things.
Too bad Madge didn't record Come & Get It.* Could you imagine the video she'd make for "So Good" or "I Said Never"?!?!
COULD YOU?!?!?!
*Bastard, if you get to beat your Betty Boo/Miss Kittin drum in every thread, I'm warming up my Rachel violin....
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Post by Crystaline Green on Nov 10, 2005 14:47:46 GMT -5
do you always talk out of your arse? i have never heard such a big pile of wank.
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Post by gatoinfeliz on Nov 10, 2005 21:22:49 GMT -5
do you always talk out of your arse? i have never heard such a big pile of wank. Read the message she gave Shep Pettibone on her Bedtime Stories thank you's you piece of shit. |
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Post by Crystaline Green on Nov 11, 2005 6:08:53 GMT -5
do you always talk out of your arse? i have never heard such a big pile of wank. Read the message she gave Shep Pettibone on her Bedtime Stories thank you's you piece of shit. what? gave him what? a nice little gift? or gave up on him? she works with different producers all the time - how that is deciphered into your literature award winning story is something else.... |
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Post by natefisher on Nov 11, 2005 6:37:19 GMT -5
I dont get what this apparent "change of direction" is all about? Madonna doing disco! Radical! Its what she's always bloody done! Remixes aplenty! What are you on about?
I agree with Sinitta, "AL" isnt political at all, just wrapped up in pseudo-miltary stylings. Aint nothing wrong with that. Not her best album obviously...
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Post by diamond doggie bag on Nov 11, 2005 6:45:21 GMT -5
do you always talk out of your arse? i have never heard such a big pile of wank. There is a story that's gone around that Madonna and Warners got into a major row over the fourth single for Music. Warners was pushing for Amazing and even sent out promos to some radio stations. Madonna (or her fans) on the otherhand wanted to release Impressive Instant and when she didn't get her way she threw a massive tanty and basically ditched the album and went off to make Swept Away (smart girl 'eh). I personally doubt it and think she decided that the album was done and went off to play actress. In any case - this all happened after the Drowned World Tour and well after What It Feels Like For A Girl (which is ace by the way) was released. In fact, Girl was originally intended to be the second single of Music. Also - by this point the album was already a massive hit (not that far behind ROL's sales with just 3 singles and already one of the most successful albums of her career), there really was no need for a fourth single or more promotion. I do agree that the power fans like to think Madonna has is hugely exaggerated. It's common knowledge for example that Warners ordered Madonna back into the studio to re-record large slabs of American Life because the originals were too alternative. |
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Post by drbastard on Nov 11, 2005 7:18:54 GMT -5
If Madonna had Rachel's songs then she could probably take them to #1. The difference being that Madonna is respected and loved by people and Rachel isn't.
Can I add that I didn't like the whole Bedtime Stories album per se but I think the actual song Bedtime Stories is vastly underrated as a Madonna song. It's brilliant. The video is brilliant and the production is brilliant. Thank Bjork for writing it.
American Life and Confessions are as different as (this is for you Fed) Funky Dory and Come And Get It. I don't hear any similarities in the slightest bar the fact they are both by Madonna. Confessions is essentially a party album with a little depth to it. American Life, by turns, is the sound of Madonna having a crisis of confidence and then saying (literally in the lead single) 'Fuck It!'
I think we possibly over analyse pop here. Sometimes you've just got to dance!
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Post by Crystaline Green on Nov 11, 2005 9:18:53 GMT -5
do you always talk out of your arse? i have never heard such a big pile of wank. There is a story that's gone around Exactly - its a story/ rumour. no offence to you Diamond Dog, as I like your posts and enjoy reading them. but I dont see how that gastrointovitas guy can speculate or know about the business decision making that goes on behind madonna's record label. Im not arguing the amount of influence she has or creates the impression she has - but all what I was arguing is that its hearsay and unless you worked for WB or madonna at the time - how would you even know? and there was promos for 'amazing' (i know cause i had one) but it coincided with the drowned world tour so there was going to be a fourth single. (and later the promos for Impressive Instant - which was directed at the clubs). But as you say DD, the album was a huge success how best to follow this up - a 4th single or a world tour? |
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Post by mwah on Nov 11, 2005 11:51:12 GMT -5
Sorry to interupt this catfight but I really enjoy American Life.
I obviously prefer Ray Of Light and most of Music to AL but it is still a pretty interesting album. Its problem is it doesnt flow well, ballads such as Nothing Fails would have survived better on ROL or Music.
I think Nobody Knows Me, I'm So Stupid and yes, even Mother and Father are brilliant. So alternative to the usual electro that kicks about. Although the title track is pretty dire, the Felix Da Housecat remix is amazing.
I've not heard the new album yet as I am a good boy but judging by Hung Up, I'm not sure if I will appreciate it as much as her more twisted and obscure material. Although, American Life's weirdness was the perfect platform to return to her gay dance roots.
And on the Music arguement, WHY THE HELL WOULD ANYONE WANT TO RELEASE 'AMAZING'? Brilliant track but surely too similar to 'Beautiful Stranger'?
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Post by Crystaline Green on Nov 11, 2005 15:17:15 GMT -5
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Post by diamond doggie bag on Nov 11, 2005 15:56:44 GMT -5
There is a story that's gone around Exactly - its a story/ rumour. no offence to you Diamond Dog, as I like your posts and enjoy reading them. but I dont see how that gastrointovitas guy can speculate or know about the business decision making that goes on behind madonna's record label. Im not arguing the amount of influence she has or creates the impression she has - but all what I was arguing is that its hearsay and unless you worked for WB or madonna at the time - how would you even know? and there was promos for 'amazing' (i know cause i had one) but it coincided with the drowned world tour so there was going to be a fourth single. (and later the promos for Impressive Instant - which was directed at the clubs). But as you say DD, the album was a huge success how best to follow this up - a 4th single or a world tour? Totally - and I'm not offended. As I said in my post I don't actually believe the story. Madonna promoted Music for the best part of two years if you include the Drowned World Tour. The album was a smash hit and the woman was ready to move. End of story. I think this whole story was cooked up by fans looking for somebody besides Madonna to blame for Impressive Instant not being released as a single. |
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