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Post by jamie on Sept 21, 2003 5:10:53 GMT -5
From onetel.net music news
How strange is this? I know it's just to make more money from the album but most people don't go and buy cds on a monday(i assume it's only coming out on monday) so it's going to have very low sales. And i'm sure few people know that it's only out for one day. Has a band ever done something like this before?
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Post by Nick on Sept 21, 2003 5:14:28 GMT -5
There Goes The Fear by Doves was only out for one day, I think.
And it was only 99p.
It got to number three, if I remember rightly. Which was considerably higher than they'd ever got before.
Of course, it was an ace song anyway.
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Post by Tim on Sept 21, 2003 5:19:16 GMT -5
The Manics did it with 'The Masses Against The Classes' single or whatever will-this-do dirge they came back with a while ago. It's nonsense as really the shops who weren't on a sale or return deal will continue to sell them until they're gone. It's another way of saying 'limited edition'. The question always is, how limited? It makes a story if it's successful - and if it isn't, they have an excuse. Record companies - geniuses one and all.
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Post by Jonny on Sept 21, 2003 5:28:02 GMT -5
There Goes The Fear by Doves was only out for one day, I think. And it was only 99p. It got to number three, if I remember rightly. Which was considerably higher than they'd ever got before. Of course, it was an ace song anyway. It is indeed an ace song I'm very much loving The Last Broadcast album now after regretting buying it for months I still don't like Lost Souls though |
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Post by spinme on Sept 21, 2003 5:38:43 GMT -5
Has a band ever done something like this before? lots of 'cool' indie bands (happy oxymoron day!) do it, as a means of making themselves more...cool and indie. cheerio! |
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Post by Poptastic! on Sept 21, 2003 7:00:06 GMT -5
Didn't the Manics once release 2 songs on one day? They said they were the 1st to do it but according to my Dad they were not.
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Post by Nick on Sept 21, 2003 7:15:43 GMT -5
Didn't the Manics once release 2 songs on one day? They said they were the 1st to do it but according to my Dad they were not. Jessica They did indeed. Those Manics, eh? Any cheap trick. Unless I'm very much mistaken, Lush released a couple of singles and an album all on the same day, for some reason. I think it was 'Split'. Though I may be wrong about this. But if I'm not: Why? |
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Post by MoondialSlater on Sept 21, 2003 7:43:20 GMT -5
The Manic Street Preachers did indeed release "The Masses against the Classes" for one day only.
However in true "Hey we're real indie and not sell-outs at all" style said they only did it because stocking records for one day was what happened to unsigned "real" indie groups.
So obivously not a cheap marketing ploy then, no not at all.
Which leaves the question of how exactly it got to number one on 22nd January 2000 and was still in the top 75 six weeks later?
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Post by Outroductive on Sept 21, 2003 7:50:03 GMT -5
Garbage did this with "Shut Your Mouth", and that made #20 - their biggest hit from "BeautifulGarbage".  I actually think this is quite a good idea - though it's incredibly annoying if you can't get yourself a copy. If an artist is getting sod-all promotion, then I think it's one of the ways to get their career back on track. Some of the CDs are left over from Monday though - they never sell out in one day. |
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Post by MoondialSlater on Sept 21, 2003 7:54:36 GMT -5
Some of the CDs are left over from Monday though - they never sell out in one day. Well either they were only going to stock them for one day or they weren't but even so some six weeks later is a bit suspicious, especially as the bigger stores which make up the chart selling would've got caught if they'd kept selling it. How many smaller "indie" stores have an impact on chart placings? I keep thinking of when Wet Wet Wet said they were going to stop "Love Is All Around" being sold because they were sick of it but only did so so people would go and buy it in that week because they were worried abot someone else's new single knocking them off. When Whigfield's did anyway the song still managed to stay in the top 40 for another few weeks. |
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Post by flum on Sept 21, 2003 8:56:18 GMT -5
Unless I'm very much mistaken, Lush released a couple of singles and an album all on the same day, for some reason. I think it was 'Split'. Though I may be wrong about this. Lush released both Hypocrite and Desire Lines on the same day in May 1994 (getting to 52 and 60 in the charts, respectively). The album Split was released in June. (and got to number 19) |
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Post by Steveweiser on Sept 21, 2003 8:59:44 GMT -5
Wasn't Iron Maiden's latest single deleted after one day?
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Post by TallyHo on Sept 21, 2003 9:29:04 GMT -5
Isn't this all bollcoks anyway. Plenty of arrogant bands 'Manics' will do this as a mrket ploy but when is it ever obeyed. You always see that the singles are still on sale.
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Post by Muinimula on Sept 21, 2003 9:43:24 GMT -5
I don't think it's that they only sell it for one day - I think it's that the shops cannot order any more stock after one day's sales (I might me wrong, though...). This causes higher-than-average sales for an act who don't normally get that high in the charts.
This is what happened for Doves and Turin Brakes, who both got top 5 hits.
It is a bit of a publicity thing, I think, but at least it makes people notice these acts who are often stuck further down the charts...
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Post by imissmybed on Sept 21, 2003 9:48:33 GMT -5
i still see copies of there goes the fear and masses against the classes today, so it's obviously a cynical marketing ploy (albeit a very good one).
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Post by Kittens-In-A-Hoodie on Sept 21, 2003 10:01:40 GMT -5
I don't think it's that they only sell it for one day - I think it's that the shops cannot order any more stock after one day's sales (I might me wrong, though...). This causes higher-than-average sales for an act who don't normally get that high in the charts. This is what happened for Doves and Turin Brakes, who both got top 5 hits. It is a bit of a publicity thing, I think, but at least it makes people notice these acts who are often stuck further down the charts... no Mr. M, I belive that you're correct. The whole "only available for a day" routine depends on how many punters actually go and buy the things...otherwise they'll linger on for weeks....like a bad smell, or like the Manic Street Preachers (the audio equivalent of a bad smell) but getting a top 5 hit, a La: Elbow/The Doves/Turin Brakes will mean more airplay and a whole lot more interest in/publicity for the album. |
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Post by Smudge on Sept 21, 2003 10:34:51 GMT -5
Isn't this what U2 did with Fly? That might have been a whole actually. Or I might be thinking of someone else. No, I definitely mean U2. I know Turin Brakes did something similar with Pain Killer, although that song is terribly ace.
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Post by cow tipper on Sept 21, 2003 10:36:24 GMT -5
S*M*A*S*H did it with '(I Want To) Kill Somebody'. You can probably still buy copies of that now tho!
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Post by Smudge on Sept 21, 2003 10:41:18 GMT -5
S*M*A*S*H did it with '(I Want To) Kill Somebody'. You can probably still buy copies of that now tho! Who? |
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Post by Nick on Sept 21, 2003 10:50:18 GMT -5
My sister's got the S*M*A*S*H song somewhere. I thought it was banned, rather than just being deleted? Or was she lying, to impress her impressionable younger brother?
I still see the Doves single kicking about in HMV occasionally, but I think it's an import version, which was widely available a few weeks after the limited UK single was released. Same sleeve, slightly different tracklisting. Just so you know.
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Post by Tom on Sept 21, 2003 12:31:26 GMT -5
Garbage did this with "Shut Your Mouth", and that made #20 - their biggest hit from "BeautifulGarbage". I actually think this is quite a good idea - though it's incredibly annoying if you can't get yourself a copy. If an artist is getting sod-all promotion, then I think it's one of the ways to get their career back on track. Some of the CDs are left over from Monday though - they never sell out in one day. I saw Shut Your Mouth in the chart in HMV (therefore i MUST have been on the shelves for more than a week) and you could still buy it - ? thats not out for one day then? And Garbages biggest hit off BG was Androgeny ACTUALLY |
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Post by Muinimula on Sept 21, 2003 13:58:01 GMT -5
And Garbages biggest hit off BG was Androgeny ACTUALLY Androgyny - no. 24 Shut Your Mouth - no. 20 I'm not going to stick my tongue out, though... Sometimes, the whole 'deleted after one day' thing is just a publicity thing to get one big hit (ie top 10), which will then get people to notice the album more, because then they can put the "contains the top 10 single..." sticker on the cover. |
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Post by marknyc on Sept 21, 2003 14:06:52 GMT -5
Let's try and stay on the topic of Singles on sale for day. Please start a new thread to start a discussion on how crap Manic Street Preachers are.
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Post by Outroductive on Sept 21, 2003 14:16:03 GMT -5
Tom: I'm shocked. I thought you would know a little simple fact, like that... (*dying to use the winking emoticon...*)
Maybe "Shut Your Mouth" was still available in Cheltenham, but where I live, they sold out in like 3 days. I'm not saying that a single is only available for one day - as I said before, some copies are always going to be left over, perhaps that just happened with Garbage? But I know that "Shut Your Mouth" was a very limited single. I phoned HMV up and reserved my 3 copies, as I heard they were selling like hotcakes.
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Post by technotrancemix on Sept 21, 2003 17:59:57 GMT -5
A limited edition should be something along the lines of no more than a few hundred pressings, not a few hundred thousand like MAC by MSP.
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Post by Kittens-In-A-Hoodie on Sept 22, 2003 2:49:08 GMT -5
A limited edition should be something along the lines of no more than a few hundred pressings, not a few hundred thousand like MAC by MSP. quite right, but this is where the "limited edition" as marketing concept (i.e. to force everyone who might want the single to rush out and buy it on the first day, thus ensuring an artificially high chart placing) takes over from the "Limited Edition" as actual reality. |
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Post by Pandarama on Sept 22, 2003 5:14:20 GMT -5
This is where I was slightly disappointed with Rachel Stevens. Her poster CD was marketed as a limited edition, and indeed was the only version I could find in the first few days of release.
Then towards the end of the first week, I noticed that CDs were being released in the slimmer jewel case, with exactly the same tracks, but without the poster. Perhaps it's churlish of me, but if you're going to make a big hoo-hah about a limited edition, I'd at least want an exclusive track of some kind, and not just a poster I don't intend to use.
That way, they'd also get me to buy both formats, since they could replace the exclusive track with another one on the second release. It would just look as though a little more thought had gone into it.
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