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Post by Storm on Jun 22, 2005 16:42:27 GMT -5
OK, so I've never been Mr.Kelly's biggest fan, but this is so bloomin ridiculous, that I can't help but think it's genius.
I heard it a while ago, but it's only today that I've sat down and really listened to the lyrics, and it's just hilarious! It's basically a five part soap opera that follows one night in R.Kelly's life - it's very literal.
I don't really know what else to say. In this case, it's straddling the divide between the sublime and the utterly ridiculous, that I just felt it needed it's own thread!
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Post by NumanumAnzej on Jun 22, 2005 16:48:46 GMT -5
Is he coming out? That's what the title incinuates to me.
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Post by Storm on Jun 22, 2005 17:11:25 GMT -5
It starts with him being trapped in his lovers closet whilst her husband looks for him, hence the title. It has lots of cliffhangers though, just like a soap opera. And it deserves praise just for the line 'Oh my god a rubber..............'
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Post by Josh on Jun 22, 2005 17:30:08 GMT -5
I thought it was the "morning /day after", rather than night?
It's in five chapters anyways.
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Post by Federline! on Jun 22, 2005 18:27:56 GMT -5
I'm sure everyone remembers the similar track "Contagious," including the timeless line: "I put my hand on my head, 'cuz I'm so confused."
R. Kelly, misunderstood genius or fucked up twat...or a bit of both? After all, anytime I hear this song I end up singing "in the CLOSET!" twenty minutes later. Bastard.
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Post by Busted-Obsessive on Jun 23, 2005 6:36:17 GMT -5
I watched the end of this a few days ago and vaguely picked up the story line. I've never been an "R. Kelly" fan.
I wonder if he shoots the guy in the end...
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Post by James on Jun 23, 2005 9:56:38 GMT -5
Is he releasing all 5 parts as singles?
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Post by sophiefrombloke on Jun 23, 2005 10:02:46 GMT -5
It's all a bit flamboyant. Why can't he just release a normal single?
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Post by marknyc on Jun 23, 2005 10:44:47 GMT -5
It's all a bit flamboyant. Why can't he just release a normal single? Perhaps that is the reason Pop is in crisis. Too many 'normal' singles.
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Post by sophiefrombloke on Jun 23, 2005 10:46:43 GMT -5
Perhaps that is the reason Pop is in crisis. Too many 'normal' singles. Or maybe it's because shit music, like R. Kelly's, is considered to be pop music.
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Post by Josh on Jun 23, 2005 11:15:33 GMT -5
It's all a bit flamboyant. Why can't he just release a normal single? Cos he's the self-proclaimed "Pied Piper of R&B", and a good percentage of his more "normal" releases are just mediocre.
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Post by Ronald Parisi on Jun 23, 2005 11:20:15 GMT -5
I was going to write a post on this song before, I really can't stand it. It's lame-o. The lyrics are cheese. It's all too literal.
I also wonder if he forgot to mention that the girl who owns the closet he's in is a 14 year old girl.
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Post by PushTheBuena on Jun 23, 2005 11:36:29 GMT -5
Ha. My sister was blasting She's Got That Vibe yesterday and I'd completely forgotten he says "little cute Aaliyah's got it"- urrrg that song came out in like 1991. I remember reading a slightly crazed theory on the Internet that he crams paedophilic references into his videos, including the golden balloons falling in the Happy People video (apparently a metaphor for him pissing over that girl in his sex tape). Nice.
I heard about this a while ago but was never interested enough to actually bother listening. That title really is quite unfortunate in its implications, huh?
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Post by marknyc on Jun 23, 2005 11:59:55 GMT -5
I suppose R Kelly will always cause school-child giggling, but the fact remains that he is one of the last, and best, purveyors of explicitly sexual r&b lyrics.
If he were to wink while he did it, it wouldn't be the same and it wouldn't work.
You can say: "I don't like R&B" "He is a pedophile/paedophile" "Sex makes me uncomfortable" "He is ugly" "I don't like Rachel's gloves"
But his work is immune to all of these comments because they are, frankly, irrelevant.
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Post by Dennis on Jun 23, 2005 12:00:58 GMT -5
What happened to the charges against him? Is that still going?
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Post by Federline! on Jun 23, 2005 12:14:51 GMT -5
What happened to the charges against him? Is that still going? Oh, for fuck's sake, who knows anymore. He was in court, but they kept letting him out to perform or something. It was ludicrous. Then all his pissing-on-adolescents was overshadowed by the whole beef with Jay-Z. I'm with marknyc on this one...I'll let the justice system deal with his paedophilic tendencies (and the parents that leave 14-year-olds alone with him), and crank my stereo when "Ignition (the Remix)"* comes on. * Was anyone else bothered by the fact that he's singing about his 'fro while the video showed him all cornrowed? Just me then? Okay.
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Post by sophiefrombloke on Jun 23, 2005 12:31:28 GMT -5
I suppose R Kelly will always cause school-child giggling, but the fact remains that he is one of the last, and best, purveyors of explicitly sexual r&b lyrics. If he were to wink while he did it, it wouldn't be the same and it wouldn't work. You can say: "I don't like R&B" "He is a pedophile/paedophile" "Sex makes me uncomfortable" "He is ugly" "I don't like Rachel's gloves" But his work is immune to all of these comments because they are, frankly, irrelevant. I don't agree to any of those comments, R. Kelly just seems to be a bit scary and he's never done one of those nice songs about people dying on the streets/digging diamonds/getting shot (9 times). He is definitely a master of singing explicitly about sex, but I'm not sure if that's necessarily a good thing.
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Post by freeek04 on Jun 23, 2005 12:51:12 GMT -5
R Kelly's charges were dropped. I think I read it somewhere. It's completely ridiculous considering if Michael Jackson were convicted it'd be the end of his career, whereas R. Kelly probably would've been fine since all the PR during his trial saved his arse anyway. And besides, how could HE have known how old the girl was? *rolls eyes*
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Post by Ronald Parisi on Jun 23, 2005 12:56:35 GMT -5
well there is a difference between statutory rape and molesttion. Also, I am pretty sure he was convicted and had to do public service as well as pay fines.
Also, his music is terrible. Do I have to mention "the greatest"? How about that "Thoia" song? He's pulling at strings now trying to write good songs.
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Post by freeek04 on Jun 23, 2005 13:03:31 GMT -5
Also, his music is terrible. Do I have to mention "the greatest"? How about that "Thoia" song? He's pulling at strings now trying to write good songs. THOIA THOING *gags*. How about "Ignition" that kept dear Girls Aloud off #1 *shakes fist at R. Kelly*. The only GOOD track he's put out in AGES is "Step In The Name Of Love". At least that's got a bit of a tune and isn't horribly monotonous and irritating.
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Post by PushTheBuena on Jun 23, 2005 14:57:09 GMT -5
Ah I love my R&B but R hasn't done anything very good for a fair number of years now (excepting perhaps this, which I haven't heard, and the Ignition remix). I like a lot of his older stuff (Bump N Grind perfectly demonstrates what you were saying about his ability to convey sexuality) but now he's too ballad heavy- The World's Greatest, and all of the "God" part of his last album, were shocking. And all of his latest 'sex' songs like Thoia Thong are way too tacky and cliched. Plus he overuses certain production 'sounds' (in particular that fucking flute thing)- a fair few artists do this (hellllooo Coldplay/the Neptunes/Atomic Kitten) but he's up there with the worst offenders.
Weirdly, the first artist I thought of concerning purveyance of sexually explicit R&B was Usher. I know he's a pariah on PJ and deservedly so for a number of reasons, but stuff like Nice & Slow and some of the tracks on Confessions are definitely in the Bump N Grind mould and carrying on R's torch. That said, I don't think explicitness when it comes to sexuality in music necessarily denotes quality; Teedra Moses' "Be Your Girl", for example, is obviously about being besotted with a stranger and wanting to fuck them but it manages to convey that with subtlety as opposed to frankness/obviousness (saying "imaginging your touch" as opposed to "I want you to finger me now", for example) and is much better for it.
That said, I think one of the main reasons his music is both admired and hated is it's sincerity. At its best thats a very powerful musical quality, but at its worse either too stifling, too 'obvious' or too trite (see much of his balladry).
And on the paedophile thing- my general impression with him is that boffing girls in their young teens is much more of a control issue than an aesthetic or sexual desire in his case.
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Post by Storm on Jun 23, 2005 19:53:30 GMT -5
Can I just re-iterate:
R.Kelly = Shit Trapped In The Closet - Genius
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Post by sammy on Jun 24, 2005 2:34:46 GMT -5
this song is great. i was hooked when they played all the bits on the radi othe other day. cracking up too.
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Post by Josh on Jun 24, 2005 11:19:15 GMT -5
The album has now leaked (hmm, just posted this in another thread!)
Stupidly, all 5 parts of Trapped In The Closet are listed separately, which I do think is a bit odd...
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Post by Busted-Obsessive on Jun 24, 2005 12:46:01 GMT -5
does anybody else find that you enjoy certain artists more (or at all) when you don't have to watch them? -
i.e. listening to R. Kelly on the radio is fairly enjoyable.
compared to watching him sing on a music video, for example which makes me cringe and makes me dislike the song.
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Post by Jen on Jun 25, 2005 9:48:30 GMT -5
R. Kelly just seems to be a bit scary and he's never done one of those nice songs about people dying on the streets/digging diamonds/getting shot (9 times). Do you not remember "Gotham City"?
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Post by sophiefrombloke on Jun 25, 2005 9:53:44 GMT -5
R. Kelly just seems to be a bit scary and he's never done one of those nice songs about people dying on the streets/digging diamonds/getting shot (9 times). Do you not remember "Gotham City"? To be fair, no. But I googled the lyrics; Australia's only 6 star brothel is called Gotham City.
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Post by Jen on Jun 25, 2005 9:57:39 GMT -5
That's nice. I believe as it was the theme tune to a Batman film though, it was more in reference to that. Though this is R Kelly, you never know. I'd be impressed if he managed to get sexuality into a song preaching about a cartoon city.
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Post by sophiefrombloke on Jun 25, 2005 10:01:12 GMT -5
That's nice. I believe as it was the theme tune to a Batman film though, it was more in reference to that. Though this is R Kelly, you never know. I'd be impressed if he managed to get sexuality into a song preaching about a cartoon city. Exactly. R Kelly's closest thing to a song about people struggling is an ode to a cartoon city.
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Post by Steveweiser on Jul 17, 2005 19:05:36 GMT -5
Just saw all the videos back to back - he says there's five more coming. Was having a laugh at the crappy acting and the dodgy driving scene in Part 4. My analysis is that this would have worked better as a full concept album which would have allowed him to put some choruses in, but I have a feeling he wanted these 5 parts seperate so that radio would count them all as one, and therefore get him to #1.
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