The Honeytraps

[Kirkland]

gavinh said:

im no cliched queen, sorry to dissapoint you. and if you feel provoked, its because you know everything iv said has made sense and you cant give a good argument back.

No it never and what I said made perfect sense, it's just you've rammed powered Horlicks in your ears and you’re too thick to fucking read what I’m saying. Let's go through what has been said:

Boys Will Be Girls makes no sense. The format is geared up to turning some pop star failures into women for no real reason other than mean spirited nastiness. Anything Nathan Moore is involved in is bound to be shite and it's fucking oafs like him (and those that give this shit ratings on a regular basis) that are contributing to the ruination of pop. What is this contrived pressure to get the Boys made into The Honeytraps? There is no reason why they must be made into girls. The advertising is humourous and designed to make those taking part look like fools, not difficult I know but sad all the same.

Don't mistake what I am saying - this is television that can ruin lives. People hang themselves over the humiliation that something like this can bring. I can't stress that enough. This is people's dreams you're playing with. Yes, they know what they are getting into but can they really understand how far Boys Will Be Girls is prepared to go for cheap thrills?

Does that not make sense or are you going to deny the patently obvious just because I say it?

Sifr was absolutely right to say: "What is the point of this wank?"

Sifr was talking about Boys Will Be Girls, not GavinH.

[gavinh]

is there really any need to be so insulting... good job i dont respect you enough to care. back to the subject in question.

at the end of the day, i like the program. its entertaining, i dont expect anything else from it so its fine by me. and i love the song they made.
the end.

[Fax Mactor]

Oh dear.

[Robbing the Dezan]

kirkland said:

gavinh said:

I'm no cliched queen, sorry to disappoint you. and if you feel provoked, its because you know everything iv said has made sense and you cant give a good argument back.

No it never and what I said made perfect sense, it's just you've rammed powered Horlicks in your ears and you’re too thick to fucking read what I’m saying. Let's go through what has been said:

Boys Will Be Girls makes no sense. The format is geared up to turning some pop star failures into women for no real reason other than mean spirited nastiness. Anything Nathan Moore is involved in is bound to be shite and it's fucking oafs like him (and those that give this shit ratings on a regular basis) that are contributing to the ruination of pop. What is this contrived pressure to get the Boys made into The Honeytraps? There is no reason why they must be made into girls. The advertising is humourous and designed to make those taking part look like fools, not difficult I know but sad all the same.

Don't mistake what I am saying - this is television that can ruin lives. People hang themselves over the humiliation that something like this can bring. I can't stress that enough. This is people's dreams you're playing with. Yes, they know what they are getting into but can they really understand how far Boys Will Be Girls is prepared to go for cheap thrills?

Does that not make sense or are you going to deny the patently obvious just because I say it?

Sifr was absolutely right to say: "What is the point of this wank?"

Sifr was talking about Boys Will Be Girls, not GavinH.

But what's the point to most TV shows? A documentary educates. But what about EastEnders - What's the point in that? To entertain. 'Boys Will Be Girls' was simply meant to entertain people. Yes, it is entertainment at the expense of other people, but no one forced them to do it. They may be "addicted to fame", but still they knew full well what the show was. We don't need to patronise them and say they don't really know what they are doing.

Whether the show was good or not, I can't say because I didn't watch any of it. And therefore I won't make a huge sweeping comment about the show, and its audience. This isn't much different from Big Brother - fame hungry nobodies exploited on TV for our pleasure. BB is even worse: It's more intrusive, they are made to do (although they rarely put up much resistance) a whole variety of humiliating things, and it lasts much longer.

On Boys Will Be Girls they just had to dress up as women for a bit. I understand that they used to be in boybands, so they have (limited) previous media experience, compared to the contestants on BB who haven't got a clue.

My point is, there is no need for such snobbery. Especially if you've not even seen the show. I didn't watch it because it didn't appeal to me, but I'm not going to label everyone who did watch it as a "fuckwit".

And Gavinh:

[Kirkland]

gavinh said:

is there really any need to be so insulting... good job i dont respect you enough to care. back to the subject in question.

at the end of the day, i like the program. its entertaining, i dont expect anything else from it so its fine by me. and i love the song they made.
the end.

Kirkland and Mr T both say to GavinH:


I could tell you were a fan of Boys WIll Be Girls. It's made to appeal to persons of your incredibly low standards. As for the comments on Boys Will Be Girls, it is an exploitative nasty show and the bog end of reality TV. Again, I'm not slating reality television per se, I'm just questioning the point of this show. Entertain people? Like whom? GavinH? What a joke.

We all know the 'girls' are actually boys anyway. So what the hell is the point to that crap? You can see from the main PopJustice page how much of a disaster The Honeytraps really are - crap music for weirdos.

[Fax Mactor]

I wouldn't worry about it too much, Kirkland. 'It' being on e4 means only about 10 people on average watched this show, so they haven't showed themselves up infront of that many people! Maybe a long and fruitful career could still be salvaged after this, working in the Public Sanitation industry.

[Kirkland]

faxmactor said:

I wouldn't worry about it too much, Kirkland. 'It' being on e4 means only about 10 people on average watched this show, so they haven't showed themselves up infront of that many people! Maybe a long and fruitful career could still be salvaged after this, working in the Public Sanitation industry.

I suppose! Fame must get addictive to make people lower themselves to such desperate extremes.

[sifr]

kirkland said:

I suppose! Fame must get addictive to make people lower themselves to such desperate extremes.

It is addictive. I once spent (no joke) a good 3 hours convincing a hallmate at uni why he really shouldn't attend the callback to be on Chris Tarrant's Man O Man - and if you know what that was you'll understand why I fought so hard to protect my friend's dignity and keep my ability to look him in the face.

I gave up watching reality shows (for the most part) after Big Brother 2. I was finding them interesting social experiments, but as soon as they started putting bars and other stupid interferences in, that made it too gimmicky to truly just see the effect people can have on each other locked together for months. Nowadays my personal Big Brother task would be in the first week - here's a gun with 11 bullets, last one standing wins, GO!!! That would put a dent in Endemol's phone profits.

But to return to topic, I still see no point in Boys Will Be Girls. Actually, I can see one point in it - it keeps Nathan Moore in the public eye, and this utter bastard seems to think he's a somebody now. He's merely using each shitty idea he has to further himself and I hate how other people (both the poor guys on the show, who I do think are dumb but are submitting to it, and the viewing public) are helping him achieve this.

My Two Cents.

[gavinh]

neighbours said:

My point is, there is no need for such snobbery. Especially if you've not even seen the show. I didn't watch it because it didn't appeal to me, but I'm not going to label everyone who did watch it as a "fuckwit".

It's nice to hear from someone who is sensible. Respect commands respect in turn... I even used caps lock for you *illegal smiley*

as for kirkland, say what you like. you're just a nobody who likes to argue on forums. thats pretty sad.

[gavinh]

PS Thats my last word about this in here. This is a pop music discussion forum, not a petty bitching thread.

Back on topic...

[Kirkland]

But Gavin, you are a petty bitch.

And please....stop.....using....the full....stops....constantly.....


There. I don't think anything more can be said about this vile show. Though I have to applaud Sifr on the Man O Man tactic. I hated that show! It was mad.

[gavinh]

... back on topic ...

[Fax Mactor]

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Thats morse code that is.

I bet you can't work it out.

[Kirkland]

Ha! That's so cheeky. How about this?

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[Fax Mactor]

Oh, Kirkland you over-stepped the line!

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[sifr]

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[gavinh]

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[mrsleaze]

What the fuck has happened to this thread?

I only had a peak to see if anyone had actually bought the track. Have they? I think I might.

[SpinDerellum]

Yes. I think it's better than the original.

Sue me.

[gavinh]

i downloaded it. and i like the original too. sad to see the tv prog end, it was fun.

[IdRatherJack]

The end was so abrupt I thought - "yay, we've done it!", cue credits...

It left me thinking "what was the point?" but I did enjoy it, perfect no-brainer TV after working a 12 hour day.

I love the song too, even more than the original which is synth heaven.