Would could it be?!

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doggie said:

delemia said:

but it's very contemporary sounding. As Vasilios pointed out, it's like something new you'd expect from Gwen Stefani.

...because Gwen Stefani is also "assembly-line fluff", right?

Gwen Stefani has done more to push forward and subvert pop music than the likes of Rachel Stevens and Girls Aloud put together.

Seemingly, a few people on this board have a big axe to grind against hip-hop / r&b and are unable to accept that pop the climate has changed since the Spice Girls.

Many of you feel that anything that is 'too urban' is deemed as playing for the masses. When actually many of these artists are making music that they want to hear.

[alexxxxx]

delemia said:

doggie said:

delemia said:

but it's very contemporary sounding. As Vasilios pointed out, it's like something new you'd expect from Gwen Stefani.

...because Gwen Stefani is also "assembly-line fluff", right?

Gwen Stefani has done more to push forward and subvert pop music than the likes of Rachel Stevens and Girls Aloud put together.

Seemingly, a few people on this board have a big axe to grind against hip-hop / r&b and are unable to accept that pop the climate has changed since the Spice Girls.

Many of you feel that anything that is 'too urban' is deemed as playing for the masses. When actually many of these artists are making music that they want to hear.

Exactly, No Doubt used and worked with many people from r&b/regae/hip-hop genres and were influenced by them, but you never saw 'rock music' fans moaning about this yet 'pop' fans just seem to want to bitch.

I would say what Furtado has done with Maneater is commercial, there is nothing overly different or amazing about it, its good music and a deffinate departure from what I heard from the last record and she is obviously making it "for the masses", and if people are a-liking it to Gwen then the rest of the album can't be half bad!

[doggie]

delemia said:

doggie said:

delemia said:

but it's very contemporary sounding. As Vasilios pointed out, it's like something new you'd expect from Gwen Stefani.

Many of you feel that anything that is 'too urban' is deemed as playing for the masses. When actually many of these artists are making music that they want to hear.

Erm...I was just disagreeing with the fact that this was in some way a risky, daring choice for a single. Urban music is a pretty safe bet for a smash-hit. The Gwen comparison was a compliment. I agree with you that it's a fine, cutting-edge single. I loved L.A.M.B and i'm looking forward to hearing Nelly Futado's new material.
Your self-congratulatory tone is amusing - do you think you're the only person to notice that some music of Urban origin is worthwhile?

[diamond doggie bag]

If people aren't whinging about "indie" songs it's "urban" or "R 'n' B". And it's not getting tired at all ...

Anyways, I loved Maneater the first time I heard it, but it got old damn fast. I much prefer Promiscious now.

Christopher And Raphael Just's "Popper (Ft. Fox N Wolf)" is stellar, and more than deserves a look in for number one. It's the disco epic of the year!

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doggie said:

delemia said:

doggie said:

Your self-congratulatory tone is amusing - do you think you're the only person to notice that some music of Urban origin is worthwhile?

No, I didn't mean to come across as self-congratulatory so sorry for that.

What I meant is by Nelly's standards "Maneater' is risky especially when you listen to much of her other material which is very radio-friendly and could appeal to a broad section of people.

I would say most people aren't indifferent to this song whereas I think her last album suffered because it was considered a bit too pedestrian.

[Maureen]

I have heard tell that Nelly delivered some material that wasn't to her record company's liking and so this new material was pushed through, to Nelly's initial reluctance. I don't care whether it sounds urban, pop, or fucking death metal, or even whether she's going in this direction voluntarily: I like the 'Maneater' track and it's as simple as that.

Why are people so keen to dismiss a track because it might belong to a certain genre? Some of you are missing out on a lot of good music because of your prejudices.

[spinme]

maureen said:

Why are people so keen to dismiss a track because it might belong to a certain genre? Some of you are missing out on a lot of good music because of your prejudices.

Because their are people making music of that particular genre far better than Nelly Furtado.

I think people are getting 'innovative' and 'innovative for Nelly Furtado' mixed up.

Cheerio, Michael. xxx

[eternalfans.co.uk]

obviousely the new Xenomania tracks with louise, surley its gonna be good!

[Storm]

Sometimes I think people on this board have cloth in their ears. The track is obviously a huge departure for Nelly, and a huge risk. Her biggest hit was 'I'm Like A Bird' - it's the song she's known for, so to come out with something like 'Maneater' is a huge risk. And of course it's innovative - it's completely unmelodic, hugely discordant, and is almost impossible to pigeonhole. You could say it's 'urban', but put it next to a Ne-Yo track, and it sounds nothing of the sort. Regardless of whether it's 'innovative' or not though, does it matter?? It's quite frankly the best track of the year, and at a time when it'speople like James Blunt and Daniel Powter ruling the charts, I applaud Nelly for leaving the middle of the road, and instead moving a bit leftfield from it. So, hurrah!

[Mike]

Describing Nelly's first two albums as 'middle of the road' is every bit as disingenuous and misleading as calling her new stuff 'urban'. Her previous work draws influence from guitar-pop, R&B, Latin American rhythms, and blends disparate styles together - you're hard-pressed to find two songs that sound alike. Not exactly the type of thing Daniel Powter goes in for, is it? To these particular cloth-free ears, there's nothing 'middle of the road' about it at all.

[Kirkland]

I don't really like Maneater - I would never say it was shite, it IS good but it just doesn't do it for me. Meanwhile Annie's The Crush, Lily Allen's LDN and Lady Sovereign's Blah Blah remix are all riding my ears like bitches.

[lupin]

I love Maneater, but I really hope this secret track is a Rachel one. Richard X or Cathy Dennis would be great.

[Fax Mactor]

Out of all the popstars people could pick why do people pick Rachel Wanky Stevens?

[Ryan4Me]

Hopefully the Stiletto single .. If that ever happens.

[Storm]

thisisnotatest said:

Describing Nelly's first two albums as 'middle of the road' is every bit as disingenuous and misleading as calling her new stuff 'urban'. Her previous work draws influence from guitar-pop, R&B, Latin American rhythms, and blends disparate styles together - you're hard-pressed to find two songs that sound alike. Not exactly the type of thing Daniel Powter goes in for, is it? To these particular cloth-free ears, there's nothing 'middle of the road' about it at all.

OK, maybe 'middle of the road' wasn't the best term to use, but before this new album, she would have certainly been classed as an 'adult contemporary' artist. And I wasn't saying she was anything like James Blunt or Daniel Powter - my point was that, for her and her record company doing something like that would have been an easier option, and on paper, would have seemed like the sensible option. The second album was more 'kooky' than the first, and it didn't really sell. You would think they'd have ditched any ideas of experimenting, and instead went for the 'safe' option, going even more adult contemporary.

[xtina613]

delemia said:

doggie said:

delemia said:

but it's very contemporary sounding. As Vasilios pointed out, it's like something new you'd expect from Gwen Stefani.

...because Gwen Stefani is also "assembly-line fluff", right?

Gwen Stefani has done more to push forward and subvert pop music than the likes of Rachel Stevens and Girls Aloud put together.

Seemingly, a few people on this board have a big axe to grind against hip-hop / r&b and are unable to accept that pop the climate has changed since the Spice Girls.

Many of you feel that anything that is 'too urban' is deemed as playing for the masses. When actually many of these artists are making music that they want to hear.

i actually quite enjoy hip hop, r&b, reggae etc. my problem with maneater is, if you listen to enough Timbaland(as i doubt most people here do) it's sounds completely standard issue. his beats are quite different from most other producers but when looked at together are quite samey (just listen to some old missy elliot stuff). my problem with Nelly is that it seems like she essentially went to him for a hit, the songs really aren't about anything. in the folklore days she seemed to have no use for this type of material. there's nothing inherently wrong with that, everyone wants to be successful. maneater is a nice little club song but it's nothing revolutionary. if you listen to enough timbaland then you'll realize nothing is about it is revolutionary, definetely not number 1 material. perhaps i just don't "get" it but it seems a lot like all the other timbaland productions.

and as for the comment about gwen doing more than rachel and the aloud for pop, true she's made pop bigger in america but her albums shit compared to WWTNS or Come and Get it.

[passionoia]

I can see both sides of the penny in regards to Maneater.

I do think as a song it's ace (though like diamond doggy I found it has got a bit old qite fast), however I totally understand this 'production line' comment because it's devoid of any real specific character and connection to the artist. It's a producers song that could be given to any US pop strumpet. I mean if Gwen, The Pussycat Dolls or even... yes Paris Hilton had done it, it wouldn't have made much difference to me. It's Nelly performing a Timbaland production, not Timbaland producing a Nelly song so to speak and as such although it might be accomplished, fairly innotive and pretty darn good, it's also...hmmm...I don't know, a bit shallow I suppose. Therefore I can see why some are disappointed because if before with Nelly they've felt a connection to her and then she does something where there is no 'Nelly' (and in my opinion there isn't), it is a bit of an empty experience.

Mind you I have this problem with a lot of US big name producer tracks (be it pop, r&b, rock, whatever...) and I'm not really knocking it because an ace pop tune is an ace pop tune and I can appreciate that but songs are always sweeter when they're oozing with the character of the performer/s, when it feels like the song has been written around the act. I mean take Madonna, it's what she does best, she forges her character and then creates her album around it. It just takes it to that next level.

Though to be honest when it comes to Nelly, she's never been a popstar that rocks my world (though I have enjoyed much of her stuff) and therefore that doesn't matter too much to me and i'll be buyng Maneater (and the album) on the strength of the track as opposed to my love for the artist but at the same time there is nothing in the track that makes me suddenly think 'wow Nelly Furtado herself is great', if you get my meaning (I'm not even sure I do).

Maybe though when I hear the whole album I might suddenly 'get' her but I don't know, I think she might just be another Gwen Stefani, ie if she continues to put out great pop songs then brilliant but then again if she was to disappear off the face of the planet then 'meh', they'll find someone else.

But anyway back to what the topic is about, 'What could it be?' 3 of a Kind's new single?

[Kirkland]

It matters not! When Kelis releases her new album, there will surely be a pop apocalypse of the highest scale! What a genius.

[Kirkland]

faxmactor said:

Out of all the popstars people could pick why do people pick Rachel Wanky Stevens?

I find it strange how she elicits such a reaction when Betty Boo hardly gets a mention. At least she has Where Are You Baby?




Oh! Maybe it's Betty Boo's new song. That would be so amazing.

[Mike]

I think the tendency to class Nelly as 'adult contemporary' probably stems from the fact that the most successful singles off each album (I'm Like A Bird and Try) were comparatively safe, radio-friendly fare. For me, she's always been about innovative, leftfield pop - much like Timbaland himself, so it comes as no surprise that they complement each other so well. I just hope the album lives up to the promise of the three tracks I've heard. Incidentally, for those who haven't heard them, her first two albums still sound great - Hey Man, Legend, Well Well, Picture Perfect, Explode and Childhood Dreams, to name but a few, are all terrific.

As for Kelis - is her album still out the same day as Nelly's? Amazon have it listed for July 11th. My patience is thin.

[Storm]

I really don't understand all this 'producer puppet' type stuff, and saying that she literally 'picked' a hit. The writing credits on the whole album kinda disprove that, as she co-wrote the whole thing, so I'd imagine there's a lot of her in there.

Secondly, I listen to a lot of Timbaland - I'm generally more of an rnb than a pop fan. But I don't think Maneater sounds like a standard Timbaland production at all. I can understand with Promiscuous, but to me, Maneater actually sounds more like a mutated Neptunes production than anything else. The two songs I think it's closes to are 'Hollaback Girl' and 'Milkshake' - both Neptunes productions. And even then I think it's taken bits of both, then totally done its own thing with them again.

And thirdly, again, the 'authentic' thing isn't really a problem - a good song is a good song.

[spinme]

xtina613 said:

and as for the comment about gwen doing more than rachel and the aloud for pop, true she's made pop bigger in america but her albums shit compared to WWTNS or Come and Get it.

Sometimes, this messageboard...

The mind boggles, it really does.

Cheerio, Michael. xxx

[passionoia]

storm2 said:

I really don't understand all this 'producer puppet' type stuff, and saying that she literally 'picked' a hit. The writing credits on the whole album kinda disprove that, as she co-wrote the whole thing, so I'd imagine there's a lot of her in there.

I don't think anyone said she was a 'producer puppet', the point I was making at least is that the song lacks character, you (well I) get no sense of the performer, of Nelly in the song. She might very well have co-wrote of it but that doesn't automatically assume that there's a lot of her in it and I don't feel a lot of her in it. Like I say i could close my eyes and imagine it was Gwen, Paris or Rita Smedley from round the corner singing it and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference. Maybe it's a weakness in her writing or maybe it was a conscious choice, I don't know but I listen to it and it's not there. Maybe it is in the rest of her album but at this point I can only judge by what I hear.

I suppose the song is like a big summer blockbuster where the script and the star are there to drive the big showy production as opposed to an Oscar type film where the production is there to drive the characters and script. But I like nothing better than a good summer blockbuster and as far as I'm concerned that's what Maneater is but like I say I've never been a Nelly fan so to speak and so it doesn't bother me. However I can understand why some who did like her in the past might be.

[aussie]

A Scissor Sisters track maybe?
I reckon Mutya hasn't showcased her best material yet
Don't know about Mr Popjustice, but a Richard X/ Mutya track would get me drooling (Richard has her in his top 8 friends on Myspace, wishful thinking lol))

[Steve]

Nelly's stuff prior to going solo was quite urban/left-field, so it's no surprise to me that she's decided to explore that sort of sound once again. If you dig out any of her stuff as part of Nelstar, you'll hear a blend of hip-hop/trip-hop/'avant garde', which works rather well, and is a clear influence on tracks like "Explode" and "Trynna Find A Way."

Timbaland may not have been her first choice of producer, especially when she seems to gel so well with Track and Field, but I can't imagine her being that reluctant - especially considering his remix of "Turn Off The Light" gave her a huge alleyway into the US urban radio market, as well as allowing her to duet on the remix of "Get Your Freak On" and Ms. Jade's "Ching Ching" (which either samples a Nelly song, or samples the same song Nelly sampled!), as well as the duets with Swollen Members and Jurassic 5.

[irishdave]

Maybe its a new Girls Aloud track?They did say there were premiering a new song at the tour that starts next weekend....Hmmmmmmm.Fingers crossed.

[popdonut]

Hi, I'm popdonut and this is my first post.
So please let me invite all of u a donut/donought.

Well, please don't think too much in the past; the past doesn't exist. So please don't continue with Nelly Furtado. Maneater is amazing, but some people of this board are really tired of "maneater". It's out there from january. So maybe... the reaplacement of Nelly Furtado is .... Nelly Furtado. There is a new track in the album called Say It Right, with a Cindy Lauper esque. Will be ammaazzinng.

But What about the future. Maybe is the new "single on tour" of Girls Aloud... a song you will hear for sure in a pool around the country while you get a Martiny flirting with someone.

But what about an other "fascinating artist" called Sophie Ellis Bextor ... "Bright It On".

And what about the new Lousie peneed tracks by Xenomania troupe.

Or maybe is the new single of an extravagant artist called Luke Haines "Off My Rocker At The Art School Bop" produced at Richard X towers.

A new Rachel Stevens single ... maybe?

Or maybe is a simply new pop act, so maybe you are the next top!!!.So if you have any info, don't be so rude!!!. Share with us.

CIAO

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stevebritney said:

"Turn Off The Light" gave her a huge alleyway into the US urban radio market, as well as allowing her to duet on the remix of "Get Your Freak On" and Ms. Jade's "Ching Ching" (which either samples a Nelly song, or samples the same song Nelly sampled!), as well as the duets with Swollen Members and Jurassic 5.

I was wondering when someone would mention these tracks...I'm not a huge fan of Ms. Furtado (voice like a drowned rat, have you SEEN her attempt to sing live?) but I do quite like these tracks, which were far more urban than "Maneater."

I have no problem with "Maneater." When it surfaced here, I listened and thought "Hmm. Interesting. Next!" It's a good song to hold us over until some real interesting pop surfaces, but I totally agree with passionoia in that it's unremarkably Timbalandian. The production doesn't even vary that much throughout, which is the same problem I had with Madge's last effort--genius from go, and then the same for the whole track. Maybe my attention span isn't what it used to be, but I prefer a little change up every thirty seconds or so.

I have no idea what Mr. PJ will bring us next, suffice to say it's sure to be brilliant. And that's it's probably not Rachel Stevens.

[someboy0716]

Maybe it is Britney!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I can dream right? She is recording new things.)

[tesko suicide]

Nelly Furtado singing 'try' sounding not very much like a 'drowning rat':

youtube.com/watch?v=odovHSZa_jc&search=nelly%20furtado

But yes, I have occasionally seen her her singing not THAT well. But generally I think she's pretty good.