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Post by starla on Dec 8, 2005 6:16:10 GMT -5
Thank fuck I don't live in the USA, what a truely awful chart !
Thoughts.
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Post by Kirkland on Dec 8, 2005 6:49:45 GMT -5
I totally agree. It's all 'urban' which means pointless, dull, unimaginative music with no relevance to the real 'streets'.
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Post by sinitta on Dec 8, 2005 6:56:35 GMT -5
Madonna's "Hung Up" spent two weeks at number 7 there and has now dropped to 14. Pop is dead there.
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Post by butterflyboy on Dec 8, 2005 9:34:16 GMT -5
Kelly Clarkson does great over there. I think shes the only pop artist to have consistant high chart plasings of recent years
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Post by azura on Dec 8, 2005 10:43:22 GMT -5
The Billboard Hot 100 has been a joke since they allowed airplay to contriubute to it. Between 1998-2004 was the worst time, I think it's actually improved slightly since downloads were added.
It used to be 80% airplay and 20% sales! How stupid is that, especially considering that in the US they have 'one genre only' radio stations. They have to play ONLY hip hop or ONLY rock or whatever. All Billboard chart success has really meant over the last eight years is that hip hop radio stations play the same songs over and over and over again.
The reason for adding airplay at all is that 'physical' singles sales are so low in America. You could sell something like 2,000 to be number one occasionally.
Regardless, Madonna's Hung Up was actually the biggest selling physical AND download single last week. And where was it? At number 7...
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Post by Adem on Dec 10, 2005 22:29:55 GMT -5
I stopped paying any interest in the Billboard Hot 100 years ago.
Sadly, the Australian chart spends most of its time looking a bit like the US one, although in the last month pop *has* been a bit of a bigger factor in our top 10 than usual.
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Post by Storm on Dec 12, 2005 16:35:00 GMT -5
I totally agree. It's all 'urban' which means pointless, dull, unimaginative music with no relevance to the real 'streets'. Come, on, that's just a lazy soundbite. Milkshake, One Thing, Hollaback Girl, Only U, Dip It Low, Missy, Gwen, Kelis, The Neptunes - some of the most innovative and genre defying music of the last ten years. All urban based. The Billboard charts is sh*t, but just as there's great pop music and bad pop music, there's good urban music and bad urban music.
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Post by splitchick59 on Dec 12, 2005 18:40:20 GMT -5
Granted, if someone heard "Laffy Taffy" and thought that was representative of all urban music on the US charts on the moment, I couldn't blame them for thinking it was all horrible, but it isn't.
Charts everywhere can suck. You guys in the UK have to deal with the crappy Westlife covers.
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Post by mugyuu on Dec 19, 2005 23:06:24 GMT -5
The Billboard Hot 100 has been a joke since they allowed airplay to contriubute to it. Between 1998-2004 was the worst time, I think it's actually improved slightly since downloads were added. Actually, airplay has always contributed to the Hot 100. What happened in 1998 was Billboard stopped requiring a physical single release in order for songs to chart, since labels in America had stopped releasing singles in fear of them eating away at album sales. And then after the labels didn't need them for the promo of a high-charting song, the single died an unceremonious death in the US. And to think that in the end this only led to the rise of illegal downloading, which actually did eat into album sales. Irony! (Or well, that last bit's only my opinion.)
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Post by Josh on Dec 20, 2005 18:25:57 GMT -5
Whoever said that it was once 80% airplay based and 20% sales based got it wrong... I don't think it has ever been like that - though obviously a lot of songs only do well because of their airplay alone.
Downloads has changed the chart quite a bit though. "Hollaback Girl" may not have done so well there had it not been for the early huge amount of downloads.
But sometimes airplay can be representational of a song that is doing well in the sales chart. Mariah's "Don't Forget About Us" is currently #1 on the US iTunes and subsequently is looking set to sell enough to be #1 on the download charts this forthcoming week, and possibly gain her 17th #1 on the Hot 100 given its combined airplay totals. #2 on the US iTunes chart is interestingly "All I Want For Christmas", which isn't eligible for re-entry into the Billboard charts as it is a holiday song...
I personally think they just need to tweak things so that sales mean more still though.
Regarding airplay not meaning anything - if people really don't like what they hear then they'll switch it off or change stations. And if a radio station's audience figures drop significantly, they'll lose not only listeners but how much influence they have on the charts as whenever a song is spun on a radio station at a particular time that gives the song a number of audience impressions, with the greater the impressions being the better (or something like that). Therefore, it is in a radio station's best interests to satisfy their listeners and keep them interested.
The sad thing is though is that traditional pop doesn't go down as well as it used to. So-called "Pop" stations are playing more Urban/R&B and some Rock tracks. Even Kelly Clarkson, said to be on the most successful Pop acts of 2005 in the US, doesn't have a pure pop sound and although by no means rock her music does lean a tad bit into that direction.
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Post by petesherlock on Dec 23, 2005 20:37:08 GMT -5
who understands the american charts now? they make "war and peace" seem like the "de vinci code"
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Post by splitchick59 on Jan 4, 2006 19:36:51 GMT -5
This week's new #1: LAFFY TAFFY by D4L. It sold about 175K worth of downloads from all the idiot kids who got iPods for Christmas.
Here are some sample lyrics:
Oh my God, indeed. I think i'd rather have Shayne Ward.
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Post by Federline! on Jan 5, 2006 17:22:19 GMT -5
Regarding airplay not meaning anything - if people really don't like what they hear then they'll switch it off or change stations. And if a radio station's audience figures drop significantly, they'll lose not only listeners but how much influence they have on the charts as whenever a song is spun on a radio station at a particular time that gives the song a number of audience impressions, with the greater the impressions being the better (or something like that). Therefore, it is in a radio station's best interests to satisfy their listeners and keep them interested. Let's not forget the promo firms that actually make a living at paying off stations to add spins of certain songs, keeping a percentage of the label's payoff amount for themselves...or multi-act managment that barters a performance by their big-name act at some small show in exchange for adding spins of their smaller acts. The 'biz' part of the music biz really sucks sometimes.* * A lot of the time.
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Post by letuinmybackdoor on Jan 12, 2006 5:29:03 GMT -5
Everywhere in the world "Hung up" has been #1 and only reaches #7 in the US? Now that's a f***ed up chart! The times I've been to the US and heard radio they just loop the same 10 songs over and over, at least in some way it seems fairer in the UK, less dull r'n'b and bloody Nickleback!
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Post by TheJoel on Jan 12, 2006 5:57:47 GMT -5
Are there set percentages then, for airplay/download/sales to contribute to the overall Billboard totals?
If airplay plays such a big part, how can the chart be called definitive when it's effectively based on the decisions of radio programmers? Sure people may switch over, but people still listen to Chris Moyles(example only) on Radio 1 because he's funny (hypothetically) , but might still hate the music. That doesn't mean they like the music. In turn, I don't see how that should justify an artist moving up the charts.
The billboard system is fundamentally flawed. Is there a pure sales chart that one can view on a weekly basis for the US?
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Post by azura on Jan 12, 2006 9:37:25 GMT -5
Everywhere in the world "Hung up" has been #1 and only reaches #7 in the US? Now that's a f***ed up chart! The times I've been to the US and heard radio they just loop the same 10 songs over and over, at least in some way it seems fairer in the UK, less dull r'n'b and bloody Nickleback! Yes, Hung Up was number one everywhere. Including the US singles sales chart.
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Post by Josh on Jan 12, 2006 17:27:12 GMT -5
Everywhere in the world "Hung up" has been #1 and only reaches #7 in the US? Now that's a f***ed up chart! The times I've been to the US and heard radio they just loop the same 10 songs over and over, at least in some way it seems fairer in the UK, less dull r'n'b and bloody Nickleback! But actually getting into the Top Ten in the US tends to be a bigger achievement for a pop act these days than a Top Ten in the UK...
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Post by xtina613 on Jan 12, 2006 21:35:56 GMT -5
top 10 in the US is huge. people in the UK seem so confused by that.
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Post by mugyuu on Jan 14, 2006 18:03:08 GMT -5
The billboard system is fundamentally flawed. Is there a pure sales chart that one can view on a weekly basis for the US? Amen, it is the definition of pop injustice. Since barely any physical singles are released, a pure sales chart such as Hot Singles Sales is useless. The closest thing you can get to a usable sales chart is the Hot Digital Songs chart, which you can see here (click). I don't know why everything must be "hot" with Billboard.
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Post by mugyuu on Jan 14, 2006 18:14:41 GMT -5
Also, Billboard made another chart called "The Pop 100" in response to criticism that the Hot 100 is too hip-hop based. I think the only difference is they don't count R&B station's airplay, so really it's just more of the same.
And whoever said that US radio is just 10 songs over and over hit the nail on the head.
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