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Post by drbastard on Oct 29, 2004 1:20:15 GMT -5
Rachel is everywhere. She's pushed in my face and my ears constantly despite the fact she's utterly boring and syph is a better alternative to listening to Funky Dory.
Her 'More' video was totally cheap and her album bombed. Her biggest selling hit donated all proceeds to some crap charity I don't even know about.
So is Rachel making any money for her label at all? If not, when is The Dumper coming for her?
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Post by Molly on Oct 29, 2004 4:19:34 GMT -5
They can't afford to drop her because they've pumped so much cash into keeping her afloat. So they'll keep trying in the vain hope that she sells a couple of albums rather than singles which, as we all know, make no money at all.
There's no reason for her to exist. She seems like a pleasant enough girl in interviews but musically she doesn't even register. She takes a good song (ie Some Girls) and drains all the life out of it making it into something I can't bear to listen to, despite it in theory being amazing. It's like Jentina being given French Kisses - labels and writers need to learn to not waste good songs on vapid non-entities, losing themselves money they could make if they let The Aloud or Britney sing it.
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Post by Steveweiser on Oct 31, 2004 9:42:34 GMT -5
As much as I like Rachel, I do like Ana Matronic's claim that she'd prefer to hang out with terrorists than her.
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Post by Mike on Oct 31, 2004 9:58:07 GMT -5
As much as I like Rachel, I do like Ana Matronic's claim that she'd prefer to hang out with terrorists than her. I want to marry Ana Matronic. Her rant against 'dumb talentless bitch' Ashlee Simpson was equally hilarious. Molly - Jentina was not 'given' French Kisses. How many times do people need to be told? |
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Post by Cherubic on Oct 31, 2004 10:05:41 GMT -5
Molly - Jentina was not 'given' French Kisses. How many times do people need to be told? She clearly stole it from Woolworths. |
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Post by Lovebomb on Oct 31, 2004 12:36:06 GMT -5
Molly - Jentina was not 'given' French Kisses. How many times do people need to be told? Of course she was. Actually I can't say that anymore than those who say she wasn't (nobody really knows) but that's how Cathy Dennis seems to work and I don't see why French Kisses would be the exception (not that it matters). And no doubt if Jentina hadn't of been round someone else (most likely Rachel Stevens infact) would be singing something very very similar. Maybe minus the rap with a few lyric changes but basically the same song. |
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Post by Mike on Oct 31, 2004 13:12:31 GMT -5
but that's how Cathy Dennis seems to work and I don't see why French Kisses would be the exception (not that it matters). So in other words, a lot of idle speculation. How do you know how Cathy Dennis works? Can we therefore assume that Janet Jackson, who's been heavily involved in writing her own songs for some two decades, was handed Island Life on a plate and got credit for changing half a verse or something? And if not, why is it so difficult to believe that a new artist such as Jentina could have any input into a song with her name on it? |
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Post by Lovebomb on Oct 31, 2004 14:00:48 GMT -5
So in other words, a lot of idle speculation. I don't believe I was the one making the bold statements. Hence the word 'seems'. No-one says she didn't have an input. Both Kelly Clarksons Miss Independant and Dannii's I Begin To Wonder are songs that were handed to them on a plate which they then had an input into. If I was to take a guess I wouldn't be all that surprised if Jentina's input was the rap. As for the Janet example, why can't that be the case? Not that I'm saying it is but there are lots of examples of acts who over the years have proved to be experienced writers of their own material (many far more talented than Janet Jackson) who still have songs given to them from other writers. And anyway many a time has Janet been rumoured to have been offered songs by various writers so yes I can believe that. Like I said when it comes to French Kisses of course I don't know and of course it's idle speculation, I'm just basing my point of view on the impressions I get of both Cathy and Jentina in general. But I'm not the one stating as matter of fact that someone's wrong based on my own idle speculation. |
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Post by drbastard on Nov 1, 2004 7:24:16 GMT -5
And if not, why is it so difficult to believe that a new artist such as Jentina could have any input into a song with her name on it? We know she never. It's utterly obvious to anyone that has ears that the girl is totally talentless as a songwriter and performer. God her CD: UK appearance was imfamously bad that people still joke about it. SImon Astell included. Also, don't get me started on her MTV Base appearance, which was worse. Jentina simply cannot rap and yet she is sold to us as a rapper via cool publications like I-D and Dazed, I say the word cool in a bitchy way and she has a history of letting people hear her dodgy demos. I've been told. I know this to be true. So when her first song bombs what do the record comapny do? They try to save their three million pounds investment (that's how much they've been rumoured to sped on her) and give her a hit from the pen of hitmaker Cathy Dennis. It's an old record company tactic. It's transparant tactics. But that flops too. No matter what her 'fans' say, Jentina had virtually no imput into that song or any of her others. Please, stop trying to kid yourself on that Jentina is some massive talent. We all know she isn't and when she's dropped, I shall rejoice happily that another bimbotic moron is gone. |
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Post by Storm on Nov 1, 2004 7:38:52 GMT -5
You know jack shit. EVeryone on this board knows you know jack shit. I'm not being funny, but this board is full of people who actually work in and around the music industry who actually have some vague clue as to how it works. I've written with many established songwriters, and been managed by 19 who Cathy is now with. Established songwriters like her would never allow her to give away a percentage of their royalties for doing nothing. Jentina is in no bargaining position to demand a songwriting share if she did nothing. I wasn't in the songwriting session, so I don't know exactly how much Jentina wrote, and how much she didn't. But similarly, I don't think someone that's never met any of the parties involved, is in anyway involved with either of their respective camps, or has any knowledge of how either of them work has the right to say they 'know' what happened in the songwriting process......... |
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Post by Mike on Nov 1, 2004 7:47:34 GMT -5
Just to drag this back on to topic, as much fun as our resident 'experts' have been, do you really think starting no fewer than THREE threads about her on here is helping matters? |
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Post by drbastard on Nov 1, 2004 8:43:10 GMT -5
It helps me feel better that I am not alone in hating her.
I am not without any sympathy thisisnotatest, I know you love Jentina but deep down you must see that she's really useless.
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Post by Molly on Nov 3, 2004 9:37:14 GMT -5
Can I just apologise for dragging this topic to Jentina when she was just a throw-away example in my vitriol against the Dead-Eyed Robotic Boringatron Miss Stevens?
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Post by audrey potnoodlehorne on Nov 3, 2004 10:19:52 GMT -5
Stevens jumped the shark with More More More. What the hell was she thinking? That awful jumpsuit she wears in the video make her hips look MASSIVE. And it's such a shit song. That said, hats off to her for monopolising the gentleman's mag market despite lack of preposterous boobage.
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Post by Miss Mackenzie on Nov 3, 2004 16:12:46 GMT -5
"Rachel Stevens has all the personality of a piece of toast. I'd rather hang out with terrorists than her."
Yay Miss Matronic.
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Post by Lovebomb on Nov 3, 2004 17:16:56 GMT -5
"Rachel Stevens has all the personality of a piece of toast. I'd rather hang out with terrorists than her." Who said wit and repartee was dead? They were quite possibly right. She might of well said Rachell smells, it would of been a damn site more biting and a hell of a lot more funnier. Check out Nicola Roberts comments on Dannii Minogue for how to do catty for real. Ana's clearly been hanging about with the gays too long, she's turned into a bitter queen who bitches for the attention as opposed to why it should be done, out of pure malice. |
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Post by Pensiero Bello on Nov 3, 2004 18:49:16 GMT -5
And apparently when in S Club she was a cunt. All the more reason to loathe her pleasant-as-anything facade.
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Post by drbastard on Nov 4, 2004 8:09:47 GMT -5
How about, "She impersonates people for a living."
That's fab too. Rachel is totally humiliating for us Brits, we have nothing to be proud of in the world of pop. Absolutely nothing but crap Debbie Harry wannbes and crap faux rappers.
I wish Rachel would fuck off back to hell where she was spawned from.
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Post by Storm on Nov 4, 2004 8:33:28 GMT -5
But I'm so popular and loved! Also, you've missed out the part of my attack that said "I've heard a Jentina demo" and trust me, it's piss poor. Her rhyming is bad. Seemingly there area load of these floating about the net, only because Jentina handed them out obsessively when she worked in a cafe. Which is where she should have stayed. She's bad and looks like a slut on smack. The anorexia look went out with Geri. Most demo's aren't great. that's why they're called 'demo's' and not 'single releases'. She produced all her demo's herself, so I doubt they are great..... |
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Post by drbastard on Nov 5, 2004 10:17:47 GMT -5
You know jack shit. EVeryone on this board knows you know jack shit. I'm not being funny, but this board is full of people who actually work in and around the music industry who actually have some vague clue as to how it works. How bloody childish and rude. It isn't my problem that Jentina flopped and everyone hates her. It's her own fault and the fault of her company for signing such fake shit to their label. And trust me Storm, you'll find that more people here agree with ME rather than you. Who are these people on the board that think I know 'jack shit'? Produce them and they'll probably be Geri Halliwell fans. But then, she's the musical level Jentina fans aspire to, so I cannot blame them for their irrational hatred of me. So you work in the music industry? Where? Behind the counter at Virgin Records? Who gives a shit anyway, that doesn't mean you know more about the 'industry' than me or anyone else on this board. My friend is involved with the industry too. So? He isn't pompous about it at all. Also, just because I indulge in frivolity doesn't mean I am stupid. You are stupid to confuse the two. Actually I consider myself rather intelligent, a damn sight more clever than Jentina fans. She failed, Storm, she failed and it's obvious why. And no, the answer is not because she's a traveller or whatever. You know why. It's because she's shite and everyone wants her gone. When the industry (ooops, you know all about that don't you Storm) gets rid of these vapid so-called rappers and singers, we'll all be better off. And please don't ever attack me personally, because I'm the bigger bastard and I can bite back. Yes, you're probably shocked to learn I can be eloquent and speak good English. PS Also, I'm a Popjustice Almighty so I think I'm not that hated by PJers here, don't you? Or do you want to fight against pure logic? |
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Post by Mike on Nov 5, 2004 13:34:40 GMT -5
How bloody childish and rude. It isn't my problem that Jentina flopped and everyone hates her. Except that clearly everyone doesn't, otherwise there would be no argument as nobody would bother defending her. What is your point? That the popularity of your side of the argument automatically ensures it has greater validity? Please. Your endlessly repetitive posts about Ms Halliwell, Rachel and Jentina do seen to suggest that if you have a wealth of knowledge at your disposal, you're keeping it very well hidden. Why not post about someone else once in a while? This in a post that began with the words 'How bloody childish and rude?' I think more or less everyone knows the nature of Storm's involvement in the industry. I don't believe anyone suggested you were hated. Paranoid much? As for using your Almighty 'status' as currency, this only indicates the absence of a strong argument. You'll have to do better than that. |
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Post by Miss Mackenzie on Nov 5, 2004 15:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by drbastard on Nov 6, 2004 6:17:25 GMT -5
This in a post that began with the words 'How bloody childish and rude?' I think more or less everyone knows the nature of Storm's involvement in the industry. Listen, I attack popstars, not people on this board. if you doubt this then check all my posts. I cannot expect defence from a fellow Jentina lover (good GOD) but honestly, when someone posts something along the lines of 'everbody on this board knows you talk jack whatever' then yes, I will bare my substantial teeth. Check Storm's other messages, he started attacking me. I don't believe anyone suggested you were hated. Paranoid much? As for using your Almighty 'status' as currency, this only indicates the absence of a strong argument. You'll have to do better than that. What can I say? I'm a bitch. I don't need to defend my Jentina attacks. Obviously the public agree she's bollocks, for despite being ruthlessly hyped as the UK Missy, she still flopped. I have to praise the public in detecting manufactured rap dross and killing it dead. If only they would do the same to Geri. |
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Post by Storm on Nov 6, 2004 6:58:20 GMT -5
Haha Dr. Bastard - you make me laugh. Yeah, I worked at Virgin Megastores. I think most people on here know what I've done - I'd imagine that having a degree in Music Industry Management, a previous career working in a&r for a major label, as well as a having had a record deal with a major label, a management deal with the biggest management company in the country, and having wrote with some of the biggest songwriters in the country, I would maybe slightly know what I'm on about. Yes, that's right, a degree - there are other people on the board that have some level of intelligence, although as Tinat says your posts don't actually demonstrate yours much.
I also would like to point out that I've in no way shot down your opinions. You are entitled to your opinion just as much as I am - however, my point is that no-one has the right to post things as FACT when they actually don't know whether it is one or not. You don't think Jentina wrote her songs - fine. Doesn't mean she didn't. I wasn't there, so I can't say she did. That's my point. If you're gonna make an argument, and write something as fact, at least back it up with something that proves that - that's what an intelligent argument consists of...
As for Jentina being rubbish cos she's 'failed', that doesn't makes sense. I mean, when did Betty Boo last have a single out again........
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Post by Greg on Nov 6, 2004 7:24:32 GMT -5
As for Jentina being rubbish cos she's 'failed', that makes sense. I mean, when did Betty Boo last have a single out again........ And we all know that the GBP are crap at this sort of thing. Just because someone has 'failed' doesn't mean they are crap. Check out the Dumper section and you'll find plenty of popstars and groups that failed despite being much better than successful artists like Blazin' Squad, Eric Prydz, McFly, Westlife etc, need I go on. You simply can't use the arguement of a pop act's failure in the charts being down to them being crap. I personally don't like Jentina or Rachel, but that's my choice. And the childish playground bicker you've turned this thread into means that that is now besides the point. |
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Post by Storm on Nov 6, 2004 7:27:47 GMT -5
And we all know that the GBP are crap at this sort of thing. Just because someone has 'failed' doesn't mean they are crap. Check out the Dumper section and you'll find plenty of popstars and groups that failed despite being much better than successful artists like Blazin' Squad, Eric Prydz, McFly, Westlife etc, need I go on. You simply can't use the arguement of a pop act's failure in the charts being down to them being crap. And there ladies and gentlemen, is my point. And Greg, I'm sorry if you think I've turned this into playground bickering, but if I look through my posts I actually think I've made logical, precise and informed arguments. However, I do think that we'd all be much better off if we ignored Dr.Bastard's predictable and frequent rants...... |
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Post by Greg on Nov 6, 2004 7:34:05 GMT -5
And Greg, I'm sorry if you think I've turned this into playground bickering, but if I look through my posts I actually think I've made logical, precise and informed arguments. However, I do think that we'd all be much better off if we ignored Dr.Bastard's predictable and frequent rants...... That was actually directed at Dr Bastard. Sorry. But you've only been encouraging him. |
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Post by Storm on Nov 6, 2004 7:41:18 GMT -5
That was actually directed at Dr Bastard. Sorry. But you've only been encouraging him. I know. Damn that urge to have the last word. Must. Resist. |
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Post by drbastard on Nov 6, 2004 14:34:56 GMT -5
I mean, when did Betty Boo last have a single out again........ How dare you use that foul language. Ask anyone who is better, Boo or Jentina. I'm sure Boo would win. |
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Post by Cherubic on Nov 6, 2004 18:52:11 GMT -5
How dare you use that foul language. Ask anyone who is better, Boo or Jentina. I'm sure Boo would win. I'm sorry the answer we were looking for was 1993. |
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