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Post by Jen on Feb 27, 2005 16:28:06 GMT -5
Here's why I hate fat people (unless they're like...medically fat), and anorexic people, and bulimic people, and big corporations that put shit in food: Coporations and people with eating disorders aren't comparable. Wow, they should get you to talk at eating disorder clinics! To bring this back on topic- Tom isn't fat. He has a chubby face.
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Post by Smudge on Feb 27, 2005 16:34:25 GMT -5
There are kids in Africa...who don't have a lot of food. To treat food like it's worthless is just a manifestation of all Western greed. Everytime I see a person who abuses food, I get pissed off. Food is nice. Treat food with respect. I know. It's all about The Africa. Similarly, I hate people with clothes, educations, real homes and clean water. But most of all, it's the gays I hate cuz they shag about and get AIDs like it's fashionable and the kids in Africa die of AIDs. I get really angry every time I see a gay, especially if they are drinking clean water. Your philosophy has moved me in so many ways, Sophie. I don't think I'll ever eat again.
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Post by blokesophie on Feb 27, 2005 17:34:22 GMT -5
Jen...if you read onwards, you can compare corporations that process food to people with eating disorders. Both sets of people treat food as if it's worthless. Granted, they do it in different ways, but the end result is that they both treat food badly.
Smudge. I don't hate people who have food, I hate people who abuse it. People who throw it about, people who cook really badly, people who mix it up with chemicals and shit to the point that it's inedible, people who puke it up as soon as they eat it, people who think they'll be better off if they neglect food.
I'm not suggesting that anyone shouldn't eat. I'm just saying that people should be fucking grateful for what they have and that anorexics and greedy people aren't. Everyday I'm pleased for just having normal things...like legs...or the ability to talk.
Tom's fat. Why else would you have accused me of fatism?
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Post by frightened and aroused on Feb 27, 2005 18:39:35 GMT -5
Anorexia proper - by which I mean the pathological condition and not the temperamental refusal to eat as displayed by assorted uppity supermodels et al - is a medically recognised disease. Do you also believe that people suffering from clinical depression are just sympathy-seeking bludgers?
Tom from Keane is not fat; he is the least pretty member of the group, but so what? He can sing. And I think I'd still sooner shag him than someone aesthetically pretty like Tyler James (hard to forgive the latter for his poor imitation of Calvin S Club 8's evocative hairdo).
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Post by Smudge on Feb 27, 2005 19:11:29 GMT -5
Greeding off food does not mean you don't appreciate it.
Anyway, everyone knows that Band Aid Will Save Africans. We've got enough rubbish singers in shit bands waffling on about saving the world, we don't need one more.
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Post by blokesophie on Feb 28, 2005 12:03:51 GMT -5
F+A, gotta say I'm loving the avatar. I met a guy at G-A-Y and he tried to become my new Gay Best Friend by showing me that photo on his phone. This is controversial, but you don't get anorexics in third world countries. I think it's nuture rather than nature. I never even fucking called Tom fat. Someone accused me of fatism, so I showed my true fatist colours. Having been a bit of everything, I've decided I prefer being thin to being fat.
And by gum, are you talking about the same Tyler James I'm thinking about? Good singer, but wow...not aesthetically pretty.
But until I do my thesis, I think I'll end the ranting about it now.
Smudge, you're just getting personal. You've never even heard me sing. Also, I'm half African, so I don't know where you get off implying that I have this willy-nilly attitude towards Africa.
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Post by PushTheBuena on Feb 28, 2005 12:11:16 GMT -5
So? I'm supposedly Irish but I don't give a shit about those wacky potato eating drunkards. I HATE it when people use shit like that as a defence. The first defence of a racist is always "But I have black friends!" Whatev.
And the whole how dare people abuse food bit is intensely fuckwittish and ridiculous.
On topic, Keane are shit, shit and boring.
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Post by blokesophie on Feb 28, 2005 12:48:59 GMT -5
Man, just because I'm appreciating food doesn't make me a fuckwit. I'm just one of those people that respects food to a scary extent.
I was being ironic with the 'There are kids in Africa' comment- it was a take off of a French and Saunders sketch: 'There are children in Africa who don't have dinosaur biscuits...'
I'm proud of my quasi-African-ness, so it fucks me off when people think that I'm not. I'm also part Irish, you cunt.
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Post by PushTheBuena on Feb 28, 2005 13:04:50 GMT -5
Fair enough, I also love the food, but to say you hate people with psychologically based eating disorders for disrespecting food kinda goes beyond good old fashioned scary and is just ignorant and insensitive. The reason you generally don't get anorexia in other cultures is believed to be specifically because of our cultural pressures, eg they did a study where women from Cairo went to uni in Western places and some ridiculous amount of them got eating disorders compared to contemporaries who stayed at home. Summat like that anyway, I'm just pretending to be clever.
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Post by blokesophie on Feb 28, 2005 13:14:39 GMT -5
I'm just pretending to be clever. That's my job... I should have probably said that unless it's medical, one should respect the food. Man, managed to cut that rant of mine down to size. I was being rubbishly ironic with Irish thing. I love being pseudo Irish and all my relatives and their crazy Irish ways. But I'm the first to admit I know fuck all about Ireland itself which is what I was getting at. I was being rubbishly ironic with the Africa thing...and the you being a cunt thing. As my weebles would say...'safe'. Anyway to go ropily back on topic middle Keane singing dude would do well to 'respect' food less if yaknowwhatImean. Dude has more chins than Lumidee in her prime and that is a whoooooooooole lot of chins people. Ha, Lumidee. Jokes.
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Post by Jen on Feb 28, 2005 13:33:03 GMT -5
. Someone accused me of fatism, so I showed my true fatist colours. Erm, that was a joke comment. Lucky you. It would be great if you realised it wasn't that easy for a lot of other people.
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Post by blokesophie on Feb 28, 2005 13:45:32 GMT -5
Ah ok, see, after Smudge someone who will remain unnamed accused me of fatism before, I think it was serious...maybe it wasn't...I dunno...
I think I was anorexic at one point. It wasn't diagnosed, but I didn't eat a proper meal for weeks one summer and dropped about a stone. So yeah, I was a cunt. No, it's not easy, but I did put on weight in the first place.
So yeah...Keane..shit.
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Post by Jen on Feb 28, 2005 13:51:32 GMT -5
I think I was anorexic at one point. It wasn't diagnosed, but I didn't eat a proper meal for weeks one summer and dropped about a stone. So yeah, I was a cunt. No, it's not easy, but I did put on weight in the first place. So people with anoxeria are cunts? Or that's different because you didn't have "proper" anoxeria?
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Post by blokesophie on Feb 28, 2005 14:18:26 GMT -5
I was a cunt because my whole family were trying to feed me, but I wouldn't eat anything. I was also a cunt for getting so grossly fat in the first place (I'm not naturally big-boned or whatever). I think the 'So...yeah' may have thrown you. I was being too conversational.
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Post by StarsInMyThighs on Feb 28, 2005 15:34:13 GMT -5
it's the gays I hate cuz they shag about and get AIDs like it's fashionable Ooh, Smudge, do you know what's even more fashionable? To have a GBF (that's Gay Best Friend to you and me. Dahling!)
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Post by blokesophie on Feb 28, 2005 16:02:41 GMT -5
Nadia voice: I neeeeeeeeed a cigarette! What's a swallow?
(I'm Nadia. And I'm fabulous)
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Post by Spinny 3000 on Mar 4, 2005 1:44:34 GMT -5
. This is controversial, but you don't get anorexics in third world countries. I think it's nuture rather than nature. It's not "controversial" - it's just ignorant. I have lived in 2 third world countries and anorexia is very much prevalent there, you just don't see it in the poor thatched-hut dwelling people who make good telly for stuff like Band Aid. And to imply you were "anorexic" because you stopped eating after getting fat is also pretty ignorant. As has been mentioned you don't appear to realise Anorexia Nervosa is a serious medical condition and a lot of sufferers who lose weight to the point of harming their bodies want to get well, in fact many voluntarily seek help as just like with an obsession or alcohol abuse they know their behaviour is damaging and abnormal but cannot just turn it on and off like a light switch, which is what celebs who starve themselves do.
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Post by blokesophie on Mar 4, 2005 12:25:39 GMT -5
I've been to a third world country a lot. Among the indeginous population, there are no anorexics, as far as I'm aware.
I've had so many friends with eating disorders, and it all seems to stem from some general idea that they have to look more acceptable. It's about bodily image. In some other cultures, it is attractive to look bigger, it shows health. Therefore, I think it's nuture rather than nature. As far as I know, babies aren't born with Anorexia.
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Post by Jen on Mar 4, 2005 15:16:35 GMT -5
I I've had so many friends with eating disorders, and it all seems to stem from some general idea that they have to look more acceptable. It's about bodily image. In some other cultures, it is attractive to look bigger, it shows health. Therefore, I think it's nuture rather than nature. As far as I know, babies aren't born with Anorexia. So surely then, this is a cultural issue going back many years, not just as simple as people selfishly abusing food, as you implied earlier?
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Post by StarsInMyThighs on Mar 4, 2005 15:26:47 GMT -5
I've been to a third world country a lot. That's a bit ambigious....care to reveal which one?
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Post by blokesophie on Mar 5, 2005 12:33:58 GMT -5
So surely then, this is a cultural issue going back many years, not just as simple as people selfishly abusing food, as you implied earlier? Maybe my view is warped because all of the anorexics/bulimics I know are attention-seeking bitches. I have yet to write the thesis, but I think that it is intrinsic for people to dislike food that much. I suppose my comments were probably hurtful, so I retract the 'I hate anorexics and bulimics' statement. I think I've made my point enough. And the third world country I've been to a lot is...South Africa.
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Post by mrstylerjames on Mar 5, 2005 17:30:58 GMT -5
a love keane! they rok! ther fukin brill! am goin tay c dam at T in the park anna cany wait!
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Post by Jen on Mar 5, 2005 17:48:29 GMT -5
Maybe my view is warped because all of the anorexics/bulimics I know are attention-seeking bitches. I'm sorry but that's just ignorant. I grew up knowing some horrible black people, but that doesn't mean that it's ok, or that I am, a racist. It isn't about disliking food. People don't become anoxeric or bullimic because they don't like food! It's much deeper, much more psychological then that, as many people have already pointed out.
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Post by Tim on Mar 5, 2005 18:08:51 GMT -5
a love keane! they rok! ther fukin brill! am goin tay c dam at T in the park anna cany wait! Gosh!
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Post by Smudge on Mar 5, 2005 18:47:43 GMT -5
For the sake of political correctness, I feel that I should intervene before we cause offence.
It's Less Economically Developed Country and not "third world".
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Post by blokesophie on Mar 5, 2005 19:00:23 GMT -5
Woop, Smudge has been learning GCSE Geography.
Jen, I never said that my warped view was good. In fact, I said it was warped. I've been to lectures about anorexia and bulimia, and it's safe to say I've still yet to meet someone with either who isn't fairly bitchy.
No, anorexics and bulimics don't become so because they hate food, but the end result is that they do hate food...I suppose I hate the way they treat food, not the actual people themselves.
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Post by Smudge on Mar 5, 2005 19:18:20 GMT -5
Woop, Smudge has been learning GCSE Geography. I did yes. I read the papers too- another tragic event on par with your learning to type.
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Post by Jen on Mar 5, 2005 19:25:09 GMT -5
I've been to lectures about anorexia and bulimia, and it's safe to say I've still yet to meet someone with either who isn't fairly bitchy. So? People are bitchy. It doesn't mean that all anoxeric people are bitchy or vice versa. The two things are completely irrelevant to each other. In the end result a lot of them are close to death and find it very hard to regain normal life. Personally my concerns lie with the people who's lives can be wrecked or terminated, not with the ham sandwich they aren't eating.
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Post by blokesophie on Mar 5, 2005 19:29:53 GMT -5
So? People are bitchy. It doesn't mean that all anoxeric people are bitchy or vice versa. The two things are completely irrelevant to each other. Hence the 'warped' comment. In the end result a lot of them are close to death and find it very hard to regain normal life. Personally my concerns lie with the people who's lives can be wrecked or terminated, not with the ham sandwich they aren't eating. Agreed...
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Post by Mike on Mar 7, 2005 14:22:17 GMT -5
I've had so many friends with eating disorders, and it all seems to stem from some general idea that they have to look more acceptable. I wonder what led them to that conclusion. Having a self-proclaimed 'fattist' for a friend will no doubt have been an immeasurable boost to their self-esteem. You claim to be opposed to the view of the entertainment industry that women should look 'perfect' and then proceed to profess hatred of those with eating disorders and 'fat' people. As if attitudes like your own play no part in fuelling the problem. Your arguments would be offensive, were they not so hilariously self-contradictory. Back on topic, it's true to say that Tom Chaplin hasn't exactly been blessed in the looks department. But who gives a shit? Let those whose music depends on a demographic of teenage girls worry about that. The guy has an amazing voice, and while Keane may not be the most innovative band in the world, they excel at what they do.
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