PET SHOP BOYS Fundamental Leak!

[Riverwide]

silverspirit said:

lmao

What on Earth...?

Does anyone know how much of Fundamental is produced by Trevor Horn, because I expected, when I bought the singles on Monday, to see his name everywhere, but to my utter delight, Girls don't cry and The resurrectionist were both PSB-only productions. And they were, IMHO far better than the single.

Any details?

I think everything else is produced by Trevor Horn. Both of those b-sies are great, but sorry, I still think the single is far better. Everything about it is just perfect.

[xolondon]

meathook said:

xolondon said:

Yes. You are.

And that would equate to a personal attack from you because? Just because I do not like a song in Fundamental? Gee...

Is that a personal attack? If you throw out a post such as yours, expect a response such as mine. My answer was more about the way you asked than the actual topic. The truth is you are probably not the only one (who thinks that about "Minimal").

(typo corrected!)

[meathook]

xolondon said:

meathook said:

And that would equate to a personal attack from you because? Just because I do not like a song in Fundamental? Gee...

Is that a personal attack? If you throw out a post such as yours, expect a response such as mine. My answer was more about the way you asked than the actual topic. The turth is you are probably not the only one.

Yes, it is a personal attack because I was talking in the context of a criticism towards a song, and not about people who thinks that it is not utter shite.

Especially words like 'you are' are used, I take it personally, thank you very much.

And I 'expected' you would learn to SPELL correctly as well.

[Lemon Fresh Rob]

silverspirit said:

to my utter delight, Girls don't cry and The resurrectionist were both PSB-only productions. And they were, IMHO far better than the single.

I wouldn't go quite that far, but they are very very good indeed.

The Resurrectionist in particular is great. I think we need more pop songs about bodysnatching. It's clearly what pop has been lacking all these years.

[gavinh]

i hope you all DO start to enjoy "minimal" more, as its the confirmed second single from "fundamental". is it not great?? i havnt allowed myself to listen to ANY of the album yet, im doing very well, waiting for the cd to be released!

[Riverwide]

I didn't think much of Minimal at first, but after a few listens I adore it now. I can't even understand why I didn't love it initially. It's an obvious single.

[SpinDerellum]

I can see a white room for the video. With M.I.N.I.M.A.L. letters made out of neon flashing in various colours.

Neil and Chris is black and white suits. And hats.

[Kubla Khan]

Minimal is very Kraftwerkian. I think it's their best single since Can you forgive her?

Fugitive is even better though.

[Mr Crabby Appleton]

Does anyone else think the order of the trackslisting is all wrong?

[xolondon]

Yes, I am mixing it up on my iPod, but I am not ready to figure that out. I think I will start my version with Fugitive. May even lop off Psychological.

PS to Crabby, I sincerely hope we'll hear a Ladytron remix of a PSB song in the next year. I love their darker mix of "Fly Me Away"

[Riverwide]

mrcrabbyappleton said:

Does anyone else think the order of the trackslisting is all wrong?

I totally agree. Everything on it is great, but the ordering just seems really wrong to me also.

[silverspirit]

While Trevor Horn can do no wrong, PSB-only productions seem darker and somehow richer. Maybe that's because I absolutely love how it sounds.
D'you reckon there'll be an Alternative2? Starting at The truckdriver and his mate, I guess...

Produced by Pet Shop Boys
Programming by Pete Gleadall
Mixed by Goetz
Perfect

[Pierre]

silverspirit said:

D'you reckon there'll be an Alternative2? Starting at The truckdriver and his mate, I guess...

They already said there won't be and that album re-issues make another B-side(s? bloody English grammar) collection redundant.

[gavinh]

silverspirit said:

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D'you reckon there'll be an Alternative2?

i hope there will be, but in the meantime i have made my own copy. there has been a double album worth of b-sides since "alternative".

[cade]

The 'Further Listening' albums cover all the songs that would go on Alternative 2. PSB might still decide to put one out of course.

[silverspirit]

Yeah, the reissues are cool too, but I just like the idea of Alternative. Gotta love that holographic cover; always reminds me of those things you used to get in Kellogg's Frosties.

I made my own Alternative2 a while back (before the advent of iPod), it was pretty good, but it was only a single album. I think it would be an excellent collection of songs, what with The ghost of myself, Always, I didn't get where I am today, Hit and miss, Betrayed, and now the ones from [/i]I'm with stupid[/i], it's surely some of their best stuff.

And it's all just PSB-produced, which is great for purists such as myself.

[silverspirit]

Just listened to Integral thanks to the Flash site with the wire thingummy. (19 seconds, so I fell short of the high score list...)

But my god, what a song. I was blown away. Absolutely fantastic!

[gavinh]

cade said:

The 'Further Listening' albums cover all the songs that would go on Alternative 2. PSB might still decide to put one out of course.

well they do make up some of it, but as you can see here, there have been quite a few more since.

always
between two islands
break 4 love
casting a shadow
friendly fire
i didnt get where i am today
je t'aime...non plus
lies
nightlife
sail away
screaming
searching for the face of jesus
sexy northerner
silver age
the ghost of myself
transparent
the resurrectionist
girls dont cry

plus the other songs like "jack and jill party" (with pete burns) and "it doesnt often snow at christmas".
if as well as the above songs you include all the b-sides included in the "further listening" series you have yourself a lovely "alternative 2" double album!

ps iv never heard anyone mention the pet shop boys musical "closer to heaven". do many people here know about it or own the cd soundtrack? i love it, got the psb demo's of all those songs.

[DruBear]

Considering this week has been pretty much a Fundamental marathon, I have changed up my opinion about it a little bit.

First off, it's brilliant...I already knew that, but I just didn't grasp how brilliant it really was. It grows more and more every listen, too -- amazing.

I think my favorite song now is probably 'Integral'. If they don't release this song, it will be a crime. 'Minimal' has grown on me considerably, but it just doesn't pack the punch that 'Integral' does, in my opinion. 'Numb' is still fantastic, but if they're going to go for a ballad I think they'd have more luck with 'Luna Park'.

I also adore 'Twentieth Century'. It's a bit 'Being Boring', isn't it?

[CitrusGuy]

mrcrabbyappleton said:

Does anyone else think the order of the trackslisting is all wrong?

Yes, i think the sequencing is flawed. Big time.

Most noticeably:
"Indefinite Leave To Remain" should have been the final track.

"Psychological" is not a good opener. It should have been "Sodom and Gomorrah" or "Minimal" with an extended introduction, similar to the "Being boring" intro on Behaviour.

[Antti3000]

I guess I'm a bit minority here, but I think the ordering is just right. A lot better than the first version anyway. Psychological is definitely the best choice for the opening track and God Willing sounds much better where it is now.

[SpinDerellum]

If you can, get your hands on the Interview disc. It explains the reason why the tracks are in the order they are, and once you've heard that it all makes a lot more sense. Also I didn't realise, but the 'I'm all alone again' sample at the beginning of 'I Made my Excuses And Left' is taken from Chris's phone, he sang it into his mobile phone whilst crossing Waterloo Bridge one evening after a night out with Neil.

It's very much a winter album. A drizzly, wet, damp, British album, in a fabulous and depressive way. You can definately tell the world has changed for the worse since 'Release'. You certainly can't say the Pet Shop Boys are unaware of politics and its affect on society.

"The big wheel in the sky will make you scream" from Luna Park, even though not at all what it means, gave me quite a shiver when I walked across Hungerford Bridge the other cold wet night. It just fitted, perfectly.

[silverspirit]

Hungerford Bridge is one of my favourite bridges, actually.

I think it's on a level with Brooklyn Bridge. Depends on the time of day/year though, I guess.

[xolondon]

I agree about "Indefinite" needing to be the last song. And yes, after the various slags, I think that "Twentieth Century" is a really solid, if unassuming, track that carries the album themes well. It's like an underdog - people will overlook it.

The one song I still cannot get is "Luna Park" - I know that it has a fan base here, but I feel like it goes nowhere and I don't like the melody. reminds me of my issues with Release.

[brandnewlover]

I'm finding it hard to understand all this anti-Psychological stuff. I think it's a great cd opener. It's my favortie track on the cd. Would probably be in my top ten PSB songs of all time. The wry way Neil sings the lyric with the dark instrumentation....love it. Although I like the whole album and am sure it will all grow on me, for now, they could chuck all the ballads and replace them with Fugitive, In Private, and The Resurrectionist and I'd be happy!

[SpinDerellum]

For me I guess, it's not so much how the songs sound, it's more about what they actually mean.

Which for me, puts Twentieth Century, Luna Park, Integral, Psychological and Fugitive on those terms above the more 'fluffy' ones like Sodom and Gomorrah, Minimal and Numb. Although in terms of melody and sheer fabulousness on the ears, Integral, Sodom and Gomorrah, Minimal and Fugitive are the ones that hit the spot.

[Crystaline Green]

hairytree said:

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It's very much a winter album. A drizzly, wet, damp, British album, in a fabulous and depressive way. You can definately tell the world has changed for the worse since 'Release'. You certainly can't say the Pet Shop Boys are unaware of politics and its affect on society.

"The big wheel in the sky will make you scream" from Luna Park, even though not at all what it means, gave me quite a shiver when I walked across Hungerford Bridge the other cold wet night. It just fitted, perfectly.

I like the way you summed that up - I've always found certain PSB's have a profound way of creating a sense of familiarity with London. I always found the 'theatre' from 'very' was a good track at doing this. always remind me of cold dark winter days pushing past people on shaftsbury avenue doing my xmas shopping.

[NumanumAnzej]

Not bragging, but I got the Japanese 2CD version (with Fundamentalism) on the way home from Tokyo yesterday. Haven't had chance to listen to it yet though.

[Crystaline Green]

COOL - any bonus tracks on it?

[NumanumAnzej]

Yep, not on the main album, but on Fundamentalism, I'm With Stupid (PSB Maxi Mix) and Minimal (Tiga's M-I-N-I-M-A-L Remix) are tracks 9 and 10.