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Post by Stephwillfan on Jun 28, 2004 9:28:22 GMT -5
Because he's lying his head off! And it isn't a little white lie is it? I can understand how some popstrels will say they aren't going out with anyone when they are just to preserve their privacy. But in Will's case it goes beyond that. He's got all these housewives thinking he's a cuddly fluffly widdle poofter when in reality he's out shagging ho-bag male strippaz. Again I have to say that it really is no-one's business who Will is shagging. And again you seem to be in possession of all the facts... do you know all this for sure? And just what is a cuddly fluffly widdle poofter? I find the term 'poofter' offensive.. is the reason you're using this, the real reason you don't like Will? Hmmmm... |
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Post by Lovebomb on Jun 28, 2004 10:34:15 GMT -5
But in Will's case it goes beyond that. He's got all these housewives thinking he's a cuddly fluffly widdle poofter when in reality he's out shagging ho-bag male strippaz. Ok, I admit it I was wrong when I complained about everyone comparing him and Gareth. They're more alike than we think! |
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Post by snoopy on Jun 28, 2004 11:22:28 GMT -5
Before I start can I just say I am a fan of Will and his music but I have to agree - he is arrogant and pretentious. I've only began to notice it in the past few months but it is something that I am increasingly aware of the more times I see him on TV. Ok, we all know he's a good singer but is it really necessary for him to perfrom his very own Soul Sessions every time he's CD:UK, complete with 'oh oh oh oh, please!' every other line? It's just so out of place. The Olympic thing yesterday, I had to leave the room. It was so uncomfortable to watch. Another thing bugging me is his tour. Why, when he's got thousands upon thousands of fans, would he choose to play a handful of dates in theatres that hold only a couple of hundred people in? I'm not writing this a bitter fan who didn't get the chance to go because I was there and was, as Simpn Cowell might say, distinctly unimpressed. All this trying to turn himself into a serious jazz artist is laughable - why's he trying to airbrush Pop Idol out of his past for, if it wasn't for that competition he'd still be auditioning for Popstars, Fame Academy - the lot. He tries to pretend he's not into pop music and only entered Pop Idol 'as a laugh', but it's obvious he was fame hungry from the start; why else would he audition for Richard and Judy's boyband competition years ago? I can't articulate what I want to say very well with a hangover but basically he's starting to believe his own hype - and I never thought I'd ever say that seeing as I was a massive fan of his only months ago. Will fan my elbow!!!! I smell sour grapes ... TRANSPARENT TO ANYONE WHO CAN SEE, EXTREMELLY SAD! |
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Post by snoopy on Jun 28, 2004 11:27:58 GMT -5
ha ha ha! It looks likee james Brown is laughing at young Willy's stoopid hat and ludicrous top! Tee hee!! Lovebomb - I couldnt agree with you more. I've hated Will ever since his Pop Idol outburst. "I say! How can you call that average?" (er, coz it was a rubbish, pretentious cover of a clapped-out song). No one mentions his brother and the time he battered that asylum seeker when off his box onn absinthe. Or the fact that the "Will shags a stripper" story is true - he just denied. He's really unbelievably up his own arse for someone who's basically a freaky looking karaoke singer. And whats this about him being a rubbish gay? He's got more mince than Brian Dowling... I can see the vultures are circling, why don't you tell you real motives to post such tripe. Like the poster above TRANSPARENT . |
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Post by Velvet on Jun 28, 2004 11:58:52 GMT -5
Well, if he's got anything in common with his brother maybe Will hates reugees too? That's terrible! And it just makes Will look more of a cunt if he's saying in interviews the whole time "boo hoo, I can't find a boyfriend, please still like me old ladies!" when in reality he's knocking off a gay go go dancer. I think this post makes YOU look more of a cunt than you realize. |
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Post by Lovebomb on Jun 28, 2004 12:22:18 GMT -5
Will fan my elbow!!!! I smell sour grapes ... TRANSPARENT TO ANYONE WHO CAN SEE, EXTREMELLY SAD! How old are you? At least the other Will supporters here seem to have the intelligence to articulate their opinion in sensible discussion without having to stamp their feet like a spoilt child and suggest ulterior motives just because their view is different to yours. The Gareth and the Abs trolls have already tried that and failed! PS. I don't agree with all that Will must be this because his brother is business. As for the Will's boyfriend stuff, I don't really care about that either, that's up to him. |
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Post by bearloverme on Jun 28, 2004 12:25:46 GMT -5
gotta say this is interesting, seems WY fans are at least dedicated..blinkered as I call it. I noticed that Will's humbleness was always balanced with popping up behind the presenters, more and more little witty lines,jokingly boasting then reigning it in. I recall Record of the Year when he actually got in camera view behind Ant and Dec while they were presenting the award to Gareth, and making strange faces,very odd, and again on World Idol the face pulling. In fact he seems to come across more and more up his own **** the more sucessful he becomes. He actually thought he was on a par with James Brown the other night, smug doesnt cover it.
It has occured to me the whole humbleness is an act, he indeed seems to court attention(let's face it, not many gay men in entertainment are shrinking violets)
it just doesnt ring true, and I do believe he is falling for his own hype.
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Post by dulcinea on Jun 28, 2004 12:32:36 GMT -5
No. This is the Popjustice message boards. That's why it's here and why we are here. Fans of clever, grown-up jazz/funk/soul with credibility for superior people will be more at home elsewhere. No, really? As a grown up, clever, superior person who likes jazz/funk/soul, am I not also allowed to like Pop music? No one told me that I had to choose a side, and always be critical and snide about the other. I thought it was OK to just like good music of any genre and only occasionally slag other people's taste off. Oh well............. |
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Post by Stephwillfan on Jun 28, 2004 12:37:05 GMT -5
gotta say this is interesting, seems WY fans are at least dedicated..blinkered as I call it. I noticed that Will's humbleness was always balanced with popping up behind the presenters, more and more little witty lines,jokingly boasting then reigning it in. I recall Record of the Year when he actually got in camera view behind Ant and Dec while they were presenting the award to Gareth, and making strange faces,very odd, and again on World Idol the face pulling. In fact he seems to come across more and more up his own **** the more sucessful he becomes. He actually thought he was on a par with James Brown the other night, smug doesnt cover it. It has occured to me the whole humbleness is an act, he indeed seems to court attention(let's face it, not many gay men in entertainment are shrinking violets) it just doesnt ring true, and I do believe he is falling for his own hype. hmmm, and I think the un-Will fans are blinkered. You say Will "thought he was on a par with James Brown the other night" I don't recall reading anywhere, or hearing anywhere that Will said this. It was in fact, JB that asked Will to appear alongside him (there was an interview, I believe, on radio yesterday). What was he supposed to do? SAY NO?? Incredible... btw, re the popping up behind presenters thing that Will does, that too is just a bit of fun, and is typical Will. Try to be a little less serious about this. |
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Post by Lovebomb on Jun 28, 2004 12:39:12 GMT -5
I don't recall reading anywhere, or hearing anywhere that Will said this. Sometimes things don't have to be said. |
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Post by Stephwillfan on Jun 28, 2004 12:40:42 GMT -5
Sometimes things don't have to be said. Oh, okay, so you are another one that just "knows" are you? How clever of you. |
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Post by Lovebomb on Jun 28, 2004 12:42:38 GMT -5
Oh, okay, so you are another one that just "knows" are you? Like you? I get one impression, you get another, is your impression more valid than mine? Where did he say he didn't think he was as good as JB? Yet you seem to know that! |
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Post by Stephwillfan on Jun 28, 2004 12:46:48 GMT -5
Like you? I get one impression, you get another, is your impression more valid than mine? Not at all. I haven't made any claims to "know" anything about Will. It was you that said "he actually thought he was on a par with James Brown" did you not? How could you possible know what Will was or does think? That is what I was referring to. Didn't you "know"? |
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Post by Stephwillfan on Jun 28, 2004 12:48:05 GMT -5
Where did he say he didn't think he was as good as JB? Yet you seem to know that! He didn't, and I didn't. Read my posts. |
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Post by gabbygoo on Jun 28, 2004 12:56:30 GMT -5
btw, re the popping up behind presenters thing that Will does, that too is just a bit of fun, and is typical Will. Try to be a little less serious about this. This is Will's trademark and I can't see how anyone can find it offensive. By the way I am not a Will die hard just decided I like him after seeing him live yesterday |
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Post by flufff on Jun 28, 2004 12:56:40 GMT -5
No, really? As a grown up, clever, superior person who likes jazz/funk/soul, am I not also allowed to like Pop music? No one told me that I had to choose a side, and always be critical and snide about the other. I thought it was OK to just like good music of any genre and only occasionally slag other people's taste off. Oh well............. You're not that clever or you'd have noticed you've fallen into your own trap. You were the one who was complaining about us idiots being too pop and not appreciating the genius that is soul. You are naturally entitled to like soul, but don't slag us off for liking pop on a pop music site. I don't see what Will's brother or his love life has got to do with things, but Gareth's sister and love life have been used as excuses to slag him off, and is especially popular amongst Will fans so think carefully before you wail about the injustice of it all. |
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Post by Lovebomb on Jun 28, 2004 13:04:59 GMT -5
Not at all. I haven't made any claims to "know" anything about Will. It was you that said "he actually thought he was on a par with James Brown" did you not? How could you possible know what Will was or does think? That is what I was referring to. Didn't you "know"? That argument is ridiculous. Nobody can really 'know' anything about anybody, all we can do form judgements from the impressions we get from people. I hate doing this because I think it insults everyones intelligence but I obviously need to explain to you. I'm not saying he is anything what I'm saying is I get a certain impression of Will from what I see in regards to his actions and what he says. Maybe I'm wrong or maybe I'm right. You've obviously created an impression of Will being a fan of his and just like everybody elses impression it may be wrong or it may be right. It's called forming an opinion, something everybody does everyday in all aspects of life. This 'oh you know then!' attitude makes a mockery of the whole point of this discussion board. Nobody knows, not you and not I! And I thought we were smart enough here to know that what most say is just an opinion without having to spell it out everytime. I thought the fact that my name was to left made it perfectly clear it was just my point of view. |
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Post by Lovebomb on Jun 28, 2004 13:21:37 GMT -5
This is Will's trademark and I can't see how anyone can find it offensive. I don't think anyone finds it offensive, more there's that pretence in how everyone goes on about how he's so humble and hates all the showbiz malarky and fame stuff when he quite clearly loves it. Not that I that that's a bad thing though! Like I said earlier good on him. But lets not kid ourselves that he's not as hungry for it as Jordan. He just took a different route to get it and now he has it he's more gracious and polite than the rude, crude but lovely Miss Price. |
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Post by gabbygoo on Jun 28, 2004 14:05:48 GMT -5
I don't think anyone finds it offensive, more there's that pretence in how everyone goes on about how he's so humble and hates all the showbiz malarky and fame stuff when he quite clearly loves it. Not that I that that's a bad thing though! Like I said earlier good on him. But lets not kid ourselves that he's not as hungry for it as Jordan. He just took a different route to get it and now he has it he's more gracious and polite than the rude, crude but lovely Miss Price. I guess to get where you are you would have to be a bit of a show off and defiinately fame hungy but I still believe for Will the music comes first. Someone said they hate how he does all these little extra singing bits on toptps or CDUK but surely that is a real singer who can and does improvise. So much better than a singer who just stands there and sings his lines off pat and oh so much better than mimed crap which 19 artists are sadly so good at |
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Post by Lovebomb on Jun 28, 2004 14:40:53 GMT -5
Someone said they hate how he does all these little extra singing bits on toptps or CDUK but surely that is a real singer who can and does improvise. Some would argue that a real singer, an intelligent singer knows when and when-not to do it. Sometimes a simple, understated performance can also be the most effective. And many a singer can be self-indulgent when it comes to those improvisations. Not that I'm saying Will is, I've never really concentratrated on or analysed his performances to pass judgement. |
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Post by flufff on Jun 29, 2004 1:52:16 GMT -5
I still believe for Will the music comes first. Someone said they hate how he does all these little extra singing bits on toptps or CDUK but surely that is a real singer who can and does improvise. So much better than a singer who just stands there and sings his lines off pat and oh so much better than mimed crap which 19 artists are sadly so good at This is something that continues to baffle me. Surely if the music comes first then a good singer will respect the song and the music and sing it properly instead of showing off all the time. I know WIll does love the music, but in my opinion he loves singing more and to the expense of the music in some cases. A person who mimes all the time may not be a very good singer, or as interested in the singing process, but that does not rule out that they love the music they are producing and promoting. I've not seen Will's performance yet (I'm getting sent a video of it) so my commentary is based on what others have said so please excuse me if I've got the wrong impression of what happened. But singing 'James Brown' over and over to no discernable melody with no genuine musical content shows less respect for the song, the music than Rachel Stevens miming to a cracking song in the shape of Some Girls. He may have proved he loves singing more and is better at it than Rachel Stevens, but as far as I'm concerned, Rachel's music was better. |
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Post by Bluebottle on Jun 29, 2004 3:48:32 GMT -5
Sometimes he’s humble sometimes he isn’t. If he was humble 100% of the time he wouldn’t be much of a performer and he definitely wouldn’t be a strong enough character to cope within the entertainment industry. He’s always had backbone and stuck up for himself, you see that as arrogance and being up himself, I see it as being someone who refuses to be put down by others and is prepared to fight for what he believes in and stand his ground when he needs to.
He’s never to my knowledge said he dislikes showbiz, on the contrary he always said he loves performing, whether that‘s performing on stage or mucking about with presenters in a joking fashion, you personally may not like that aspect to his character or his sense of humour, not everyone will and that’s ok, others do, horses for courses and all that.
He takes performing very seriously he just doesn’t take all the hype and celebrity which surrounds it seriously because it’s not the most important thing to him and he sees it for what it is. The most important thing for him has always been to be able to sing because that’s what he loves and what makes him happy
As regards the performance with James Brown they were both having fun. James Brown approached Will and asked him to perform with him and according to reports when Will asked him what he wanted him to do in the performance James Brown replied “wear a hat and dance”, so that‘s what he did, not in a choreographed two steps to the right three to the left way but then that‘s not what was really asked for. It wasn’t about presenting a song, it was about enjoying the moment, spirit of the music and vibe, in other words Funk. If Funk’s not your thing fair enough, I personally thought it was fun, light-hearted, energetic, two singers just enjoying each other and the music, the Godfather of Soul sharing for a brief moment the stage with an up and coming singer. Will in my eyes showed the utmost respect for James Brown before, during and after the performance and according to a poster on his unofficial site who works within the media James Brown said to reporters afterwards "Will Young was fantastic. That young man has a successful career ahead of him. God bless him.", not the words I don’t think of someone who feels disrespected in any way.
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Post by Lovebomb on Jun 29, 2004 7:06:50 GMT -5
He’s never to my knowledge said he dislikes showbiz, on the contrary he always said he loves performing, whether that‘s performing on stage or mucking about with presenters in a joking fashion, you personally may not like that aspect to his character or his sense of humour, not everyone will and that’s ok, others do, horses for courses and all that. Do you ever post about anything other than Will? I didn't say I didn't like it, I said good on him (you must read what I say), and I never said he said he dislikes it, like I said he loves it and no different to Jordan in his hunger. I was talking about the way other people, like some of his fans and the media portray him as this 'I'm not into all that shit' person when he his (like I said you must read what I say). I'll repeat it one more time, good on him!!!! As for the James Brown performance, don't start all that 'If funk's not your thing' business, it's ignorent and insulting. And yes James Brown might of asked him and thinks he's great. James Brown could've kissed his feet for all I care. And yes they might have had respect for each other and all that business. Don't change the fact that I found it painful to watch and my brother had to leave the room. Which isn't good, you're supposed to enjoy watching someone perform, that's the whole point. I'm not a Will fan granted but I can happily sit and watch him perform but that was something else. |
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Post by Benny on Jun 29, 2004 7:15:24 GMT -5
Do you ever post about anything other than Will? I didn't say I didn't like it, I said good on him (you must read what I say), and I never said he said he dislikes it, like I said he loves it and no different to Jordan in his hunger. I was talking about the way other people, like some of his fans and the media portray him as this 'I'm not into all that shit' person when he his (like I said you must read what I say). I'll repeat it one more time, good on him!!!! As for the James Brown performance, don't start all that 'If funk's not your thing' business, it's ignorent and insulting. And yes James Brown might of asked him and thinks he's great. James Brown could've kissed his feet for all I care. And yes they might have had respect for each other and all that business. Don't change the fact that I found it painful to watch and my brother had to leave the room. Which isn't good, you're supposed to enjoy watching someone perform, that's the whole point. I'm not a Will fan granted but I can happily sit and watch him perform but that was something else. Well said. It sucked. |
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Post by Bluebottle on Jun 29, 2004 9:22:19 GMT -5
Do you ever post about anything other than Will? Yes and I have. Granted I post mainly about Will here but that's because my main taste in music isn't Pop which is why this isn't the main site I visit or contribute to, that doesn’t however mean my viewpoint is invalid or that I’m not at liberty to voice it if and when I choose to being as this is an open board. It doesn’t bother me if people then agree or disagree with that opinion, it’s up to them. I did and the impression I get from reading your posts is that you dislike Will and that you dislike and disagree with the way the media portray him and the way his fans view him which as I said is fair enough, like or dislike of someone or something is a personal choice. My post was disagreeing with that sentiment, Will loves performing and he’s savy enough to know how to play the media game when promotion for records is required. He isn’t addicted to fame for fames sake however in the way that Jordan appears to be. If he was during the year he took out to write his second album he’d have been courting the press at every opportunity to get his face in print and keep his profile high within media circles, however he didn’t as evidenced by the fact that a lot of Joe Public thought he’d actually disappeared completely. I don’t agree that he is that type of person which is why I disagreed with your post and the point I was trying to make. We’ll have to agree to disagree, I thought it was good, fun and within the spirit of the occasion and the music. |
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Post by tiddlywinks on Jun 29, 2004 10:08:10 GMT -5
Um, I just found a picture of the event and he looks somewhat excited in a certain department.  What a strange picture of Will Yong, somehow it doesn't look natural to me, his top half doesn't look as if it belongs to the bottom. Great picture of James though, not bad for a man of 71. |
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Post by Lovebomb on Jun 29, 2004 10:55:39 GMT -5
Yes and I have. Granted I post mainly about Will here but that's because my main taste in music isn't Pop which is why this isn't the main site I visit or contribute to, that doesn’t however mean my viewpoint is invalid or that I’m not at liberty to voice it if and when I choose to being as this is an open board. It doesn’t bother me if people then agree or disagree with that opinion, it’s up to them. Let's not resort to 'you're opinion, my opinion' business, we've been there a hundred times before. And it's insulting to everyones intelligence. And I wasn't saying your opinion wasn't valid because you only post about Will. I was just making an observation, being petty so to speak. Though visiting a boards about the wide spectrum of popmusic and only ever talking and contributing about one person sort of defeats the point. But your choice!!! Well you read wrong. In regards to that issue I was saying it was quite amusing the image and portrayal that's circulated and the one I see. As for whether I like Will or not well I didn't have much of an opinion but I am starting to go off him. Though I've always thought he was pretentious and arrogant but I think that about some people I like too. Everybody has bad aspects to their characters, no exceptions doesn't necessarily mean I don't like them. The Jordan comparison was actually a bit of a joke . But not that far off the mark really, Jordan is no less a performer than Will, they both hunger for it, they're just at totally different ends of the spectrum. And they both revel in it and that's fine. There's no shame in enjoying and making the most of fame, it's only in recent times that this attitude that it's a bad thing has developed. Just look at James Brown and Rod Stewart for example, in their heyday they were out there making the most. Yes I know you don't agree! You don't need to keep saying it. |
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Post by FeelsLikeSex on Jun 29, 2004 12:14:09 GMT -5
Will fan my elbow!!!! I smell sour grapes ... TRANSPARENT TO ANYONE WHO CAN SEE, EXTREMELLY SAD! Yes, if you can call voting for him, buying his CD's and giong to see him twice in concert then I am A WILL FAN. Is that too hard to believe? So you've never seen people for who they really are then? Just because you don't agree with me please don't throw your toys out of the pram in a hissy fit. |
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Post by FeelsLikeSex on Jun 29, 2004 12:21:32 GMT -5
Someone said they hate how he does all these little extra singing bits on toptps or CDUK but surely that is a real singer who can and does improvise. If you're referring to my post, you have missed the point entirely. I wasn't doubting his singing ability I was pointing out that saying 'oh oh oh yeah, please!' does not constitute improvisation because he does it in every single performance. And the fact that he does it on TOTPS or CDUK makes it worse. Are 12 year old girls sitting eating their breakfast going to be bothered whether or not he's improvising. It would be far better suited to Later with Jools Holland or something, not saturday morning TV |
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Post by bearloverme on Jun 29, 2004 14:00:01 GMT -5
just to add, reading the Sun, Littlejohn has some amusing comments on the duet, and several papers have said after that concert perhaps France should host the Olympics after all.
I do agree the scat and vocal acrobatics is annoying. I once saw him on TOTPs singing Light My Fire, adding some dooby, bop, boops in the middle, most off putting and totally out of context with the song.
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