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Post by bearloverme on Jul 12, 2004 5:38:49 GMT -5
I understand your involvement, you are obviously a fan, however. Will Young's voice does nothing for me, I have heard quite a few of the tracks. They don't inspire me they don't tell me anything, at best they are just easy listening. That's fine but not my cup of tea. His best song to date is LRN and he isnt connected to that at all. I have seen him on TV, he doesnt move me, he may as well be singing PI covers still. The duet with JB was not so good, not so outstanding. yes he has the best songs and songwriters to hand, BMG make sure of that. LRN was a great song. Even if it has been peddled as an example of Will's songwriting talents in full knowledge that someone else wrote it. he may have a hand in writing a few tracks on each album. Simon Fuller knows the backlash that followed PI for covers and has made sure Will has come across as a "songwriter" although I know of many acts that have songwriting credits for doing "not too much" Friday's child is an old song, written some years ago I believe, kept in BMG's song files for such a day when the right singer could use it, simple as that. In short they are milking Will to make as much money as possible, good luck to him but I feel he is beginning to think he is the best thing since sliced bread and therefore letting his nice boy PI image slip. Give me Maroon 5 over Will anyday. I don't base my likes on how popular someone is with the middleclasses and housewives or how many units they can shift or how many number ones they can get.
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Post by drbastard on Jul 12, 2004 5:49:04 GMT -5
Give me Maroon 5 over Will anyday. I don't base my likes on how popular someone is with the middleclasses and housewives or how many units they can shift or how many number ones they can get. HA HA HA HA HAAAAAA! OH MY GOD! HELP ME! STOP ME LAUGHING! HA HA HA HAAAAAMacaroon 5 have been utterly manufactured to appeal to HRT guzzling housewives who find the lead sexy, the type that think Hoobastank are a cool rockband. Will is doing soul and jazz, a brave move for a manufactured teen idol. I hated him as well but I think he could take control of his career and it looks as though he's already started.
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Post by Bootie on Jul 12, 2004 5:50:48 GMT -5
Gareth and Will should not even be mentioned in the same sentence! There are vast, vast differences between them, i.e. Gareth can't stay in the chart for more than a week, is a reality TV reject and has no songwriting talent, and posesses a voice that sends normal people to sleep. Oh dear - such unnecessary venom. Never mind dear, I for one am very glad that there are "vast vast differences" between them
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Post by spikeydude on Jul 12, 2004 6:41:18 GMT -5
Oh dear - such unnecessary venom. Never mind dear, I for one am very glad that there are "vast vast differences" between them I am sure you and the other three people who bought his album are in complete agreement that being different is the way to go....
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Post by Bootie on Jul 12, 2004 7:10:53 GMT -5
*Laughs heartily at your sparkling wit and repartee*, whilst simultaneously feeling sorry for you as someone who feels the need to be so nasty
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Post by Twiggy on Jul 12, 2004 7:13:01 GMT -5
Spikeydude I'm a huge Will fan, but reading your posts makes me feel sick.
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Post by spikeydude on Jul 12, 2004 7:33:56 GMT -5
Spikeydude I'm a huge Will fan, but reading your posts makes me feel sick. Oh well, perhaps I have gone a bit overboard, but I was just shocked at how many people could hate Will, yet like other artists.....I won't press the issue.....sorry if I have offended you in any way
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Post by RacheyBaby on Jul 12, 2004 7:43:18 GMT -5
Oh well, perhaps I have gone a bit overboard, but I was just shocked at how many people could hate Will, yet like other artists.....I won't press the issue.....sorry if I have offended you in any way But...why shouldnt people like other artists and dislike will? I like Westlife.....but i dislike Busted.....?
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Post by spikeydude on Jul 12, 2004 7:49:19 GMT -5
But...why shouldnt people like other artists and dislike will? I like Westlife.....but i dislike Busted.....? sorry, I thought it was implied in my post that it was because I thought them inferior to Will, but it is only my personal opinion, and I have given up, after a brief spurt, trying to change people's minds....
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Post by RacheyBaby on Jul 12, 2004 7:55:01 GMT -5
Its hard to change peoples opinions on artists once their mind is made up.
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Post by spikeydude on Jul 12, 2004 8:28:09 GMT -5
Its hard to change peoples opinions on artists once their mind is made up. sorry, my original point was that Gareth and Will were aiming at completely differnt markets, and had completely different fanbases (mainly) so they shouldn't be compared, but it got lost in my opinion.
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Post by RacheyBaby on Jul 12, 2004 8:31:54 GMT -5
Oh in THAT case....i totally agree with you...on that point at least!
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Post by spikeydude on Jul 12, 2004 9:21:50 GMT -5
Oh in THAT case....i totally agree with you...on that point at least! well at least that is something!
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Post by flufff on Jul 12, 2004 10:59:57 GMT -5
sorry, my original point was that Gareth and Will were aiming at completely differnt markets, and had completely different fanbases (mainly) so they shouldn't be compared, but it got lost in my opinion. That's probably because you were comparing them, and it is something we've already been through on this thread and the consensus was that sticking up for Will by slagging off Gareth is not only pointless, but shows massive insecurity and unoriginality. By all means, stick up for Will, but if you can't do that without comparing him to Gareth then you need to think of some better arguements. It's obvious you came on here to defend Will from the nasty people spreading negative things about him, but you really cannot complain as you've made nasty, pointless and untrue comments about Gareth. It's no wonder this thread has developed from disecting Will's psyche into the psyche of his fans.
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Post by bearloverme on Jul 12, 2004 13:09:37 GMT -5
btw, I am no fan of Maroon 5 just saying I prefer the guy's voice, and the last single actually(as I tend to prefer quite a lot of acts)to Will. Sorry if that gets anyone on a soapbox exclaiming how I have missed so much wonderful talent - as for saying Will is better than Gareth, "that don't impress me much" as the song goes.
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Post by spikeydude on Jul 12, 2004 15:18:32 GMT -5
Not wishing to propagate this argument any further, but I feel as if I should answer some of the points you make.... By all means, stick up for Will, but if you can't do that without comparing him to Gareth then you need to think of some better arguements. I did intend to only 'stick up for Will', but as the post I originally replied to seemed to be hell bent on comparing them, I assumed I could get away with this same misdemeanour without being dismissed out of hand. yes, that is true, although perhaps I could have chosen a better target for my angst... Well, in one of my posts it was indeed implied that the different way that Gareth was going about doing things wasn't going very well, I''ll give you that. It looks like I underestimated the people on here, you certainly don't seem to be against Will for no reason, which is immensely heartening, as in the past people have just disliked him because he was Gareth's rival. On that note I believe I have 'learnt my lesson' as it were, and will stick to less aggressive posting in future., rabid devotion to Mr Young permitting of course....
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Post by Keaty on Jul 13, 2004 3:55:00 GMT -5
Blimey, how did this turn into another Will vs Gareth argument? Pointless much?
Back on topic, I don't think Will is arrogant so much as he is pretentious. He is one of those ghastly "all about the music" types but luckily he can pull if off. If he was arrogant I think journalists would pick up on it, and none of the interviews I have read with him have pinpointed arrogance as one of his faults. He certainly seems more confident, but if produces another Friday's Child we better hope this doesn't translate into arrogance.
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Post by cherrycola on Jul 13, 2004 16:06:37 GMT -5
Gareth and Will should not even be mentioned in the same sentence! There are vast, vast differences between them, i.e. Gareth can't stay in the chart for more than a week, is a reality TV reject and has no songwriting talent, and posesses a voice that sends normal people to sleep. Whereas Will is a wonderful, funky soul singer who really gets into his music,. loves his job and has the most stunning voice I have ever heard. Here we go again, typical Will Young fan rant . Will Young a stunning voice, you having a laugh? He sounds like a willy 'whoops' billy goat!
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Post by slug on Jul 13, 2004 18:55:25 GMT -5
You can all say what you want about Will and if these eight pages are anything to go by you certainly have been doing, but there's a lot worse been said,printed,posted on boards etc.these past two and a half years and It hasn't stopped him succeeding and getting better, so I'm not going to stick up for him or anything, he's doing fine and doesn't need defending,it won't make any difference to Will's career because a few people want to slag him off in a thread, everyone's entitled to their opinion on who they like or dislike, it upsets me a bit when I come across "nastiness" for the sake of it but I'll survive and just carry on enjoying Will's music.
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Post by linus on Jul 14, 2004 23:00:51 GMT -5
Well said, Slug. I used to get riled by the bitchiness of some posters on various boards but Will is doing so very well that there is no need to now.
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Post by Puss In Boots on Jul 15, 2004 7:26:51 GMT -5
Sold more than Robbie Williams? I don't think so! Certainly not world wide.
If Will is so good then why dosn't any of the other countries in the World think so. His songs have flopped everywhere they have been released, he's a one hit wonder in Holland and Italy and thats it. He does believe his own hype and he is arrogant and I have thought that ever since he said those words to Simon "I don't think that performance was average".
Will thinks his gods gift to music, but I think it won't be too long before his bubble bursts the back lash is only just beginning.
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Post by Jaylo on Jul 15, 2004 12:01:44 GMT -5
Sold more than Robbie Williams? I don't think so! Certainly not world wide. If Will is so good then why dosn't any of the other countries in the World think so. His songs have flopped everywhere they have been released, he's a one hit wonder in Holland and Italy and thats it. He does believe his own hype and he is arrogant and I have thought that ever since he said those words to Simon "I don't think that performance was average". Will thinks his gods gift to music, but I think it won't be too long before his bubble bursts TEXT. Are you living on another planet? ??Sell out conerts, arena tour announced last weekend and already almost sold out? Album still in the Top 20 eight months after release!!!!!!! Will had plenty of backlash in 2002 and 2003, it's waning now, not beginning. Sorry to disappoint you, but he's doing pretty well at the moment. And he is far from arrogant, even though he would have a perfect right to be.
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Post by flufff on Jul 15, 2004 14:36:01 GMT -5
If you put it like that, he is bigger. Robbie's world tour and multiple multi-million albums and countless international awards have nothing on Will.
Who needs Knebworth and Murrayfield when you're selling out the Blackpool Pavillion?
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Post by linus on Jul 15, 2004 14:41:01 GMT -5
Why don't you read my post before dismissing it so scathingly? Will has sold more than Robbie over the last two years. I am not saying that Robbie hasn't sold millions and millions of copies and has done fantastically well with Knebworth, a world tour and everything. He has been in the business for years and years and is "rich beyond his wildest dreams"!
I am saying that Will is doing extremely well - and isn't as half as arrogant as Robbie despite your opinion.
Why can't we have both of them? Some people like one singer, some like another. It will be like that until the end of time - get used to it!
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Post by Puss In Boots on Jul 15, 2004 16:29:52 GMT -5
Are you living on another planet? ??Sell out conerts, arena tour announced last weekend and already almost sold out? Album still in the Top 20 eight months after release!!!!!!! Will had plenty of backlash in 2002 and 2003, it's waning now, not beginning. Sorry to disappoint you, but he's doing pretty well at the moment. And he is far from arrogant, even though he would have a perfect right to be. Will is doing ok, but there is no way he is in the same league as Robbie Williams yet and he has a hell of a way to go before he's anywhere close. Robbie can sell out Knebworth in the same time as Will can sell out Wembley, whats the difference? about 90,000 tickets! Williams album sales must top at least 50 million. Will's album has sold 1.4million copies in the UK, well hats off to Will, but all that you quote is no different from the sucess shared by Craig David or even Ronan Keating 4 years ago it dosn't last. Ronan Keating's first album sold that amount in the UK , only his sold another 3million copies world wide and look whats happened to him! Craig David's first album sold roughly the same amount in the UK, but he also sold another 4.5 million world wide, and again where is he now? Both their first Arena tours sold out in exactly the same as Will's. It all goes to prove it means Jack shit! The UK hate success, and mark my words with Will Young quickly dissappearing up his own arse faster than CD can rap the back lash will come just give it time. Will Young has flopped in Australia, Germany, Holland, Italy, Asia and those are only the countries I know about. He appeared in World Idol and was too arrogant to give it his best shot he thought he was bigger and better than the show that gave birth to his career. What annoys me more than anything is some UK radio DJs calling him a "Superstar" well in my book you have to earn that status in World Wide sales and success, and untill he is selling huge amounts abroard then he will just remain another British popstar no better or worse than the next one.
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Post by PushTheBuena on Jul 15, 2004 16:43:10 GMT -5
He appeared in World Idol and was too arrogant to give it his best shot he thought he was bigger and better than the show that gave birth to his career. I admit to not paying much attention to World Idol (who did?), but I personally don't think he came across that way. It seemed more that he, along with several of the other contestants, just found the whole thing to be pretty farcical and pointless, and thus just couldn't take it seriously. Not unlike the public.
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Post by Smudge on Jul 15, 2004 16:52:42 GMT -5
I think Friday's Child is really abysmal. It's not interesting, it's not fun and it's abit pointless. In fact, it's totally boring. With the exception of Your Game (which is ruined by his crap adlibs), the whole think is totally bland and even his "epic" Friday's Child is a load of toss.
I like WIll as a personality because he is an arrogant pretentious twat and as a person, he pulls it off quite well. But as a singer, it really fails him.
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Post by linus on Jul 15, 2004 23:03:39 GMT -5
The point I was trying to make (and I wish I hadn't) is that Will has done very well so far. Who is to say how well he will do in future. Or Robbie Williams for that matter.
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Post by Jaylo on Jul 16, 2004 0:28:40 GMT -5
If you put it like that, he is bigger. Robbie's world tour and multiple multi-million albums and countless international awards have nothing on Will. Who needs Knebworth and Murrayfield when you're selling out the Blackpool Pavillion? You are a bitter lot on here aren't you? To put it in perspective, Will's arena tickets went on sale last weekend. They added another date for Wembley when the first one sold out (apart from singles at the back) in 3 days. The second now only has back blocks left. That also happened at other venues, for instance Cardiff, Birmingham, Manchester. I ADORE Robbie, and no way would I assume Will is as successful at the moment, but he's getting there. As for the other person who hates Fridays Child-that's fine. You have a right to hate it-we don't all like the same music do we? I would probably hate a lot of the stuff you like, doesn't mean it's rubbish -it's just different opinions. If you don't like soul & jazz you probably won't like Will's music. Thankfully, 1.4 million people agree that Will's music is worth buying -and watch the album charts this week-there will be a big jump for Will yet again.
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Post by flufff on Jul 16, 2004 1:42:50 GMT -5
This is hilarious. If you'd bothered to read this site before signing up to tell us all what's what you'd know Robbie is considered to be a pretentious wanker and that the majority of members do not rate the value of singers/popstars according to their sales.
However, if a fan signs up to promote their favourite and wants to come in and say that he must be brilliant and deserves to be up his own arse because they've 'sold more than Robbie' then they deserve the type of responses above. Big sales do not justify nor excuse acting like a tosser, if you are acting like one.
Why aren't these same people off defending Usher on the grounds of his amazing sales? He, Dido, Katie Melua and Jamie Cullan and many people with big selling albums are abused on this site. Other artists get slagged off for failing to light up the international scene, so it's not exclusive to Will.
We all know his UK sales are very impressive, but if you are going to pile in here to argue for him not being a "clown or idiot in the world we call pop" your reasons need to be a bit more relevant and less wanky. If you are going to raise the issue of his sales proving he must be brilliant then be prepared to explain why he's not had anything like the same success elsewhere.
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