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Post by flufff on Jun 29, 2004 14:25:46 GMT -5
I wasn't saying your opinion wasn't valid because you only post about Will. I was just making an observation, being petty so to speak. Though visiting a boards about the wide spectrum of popmusic and only ever talking and contributing about one person sort of defeats the point. But your choice!!! Don't be daft. Bluebottle talks about how rubbish Gareth is as well. Twice the value for money.
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Post by Bluebottle on Jun 30, 2004 1:52:34 GMT -5
Wrong term Fluff, mediocre, unoriginal and lacking in personality are the words I would use to describe Gareth at present if prompted.
Gareth has an average voice, he can play a couple of instruments to a competent level, he's a nice enough person but the constant reliance on talking about his stammer in order to promote his records is beginning to get boring and repetitive. He has boyish good looks but for all that lacks real sex appeal. I don't wish him any personal harm but to me he's simply another representation of everything that's wrong within the pop industry. In short being average just isn't good enough.
Pop acts I like are Will for his voice and music, Girls Aloud for their attitude and acceptance of who and what they are, Christina and Pink for finding their own identities and having the guts to just go with it. I feel sorry for Sam, Mark and Michelle, think Darius shoots himself in the foot at every turn and love the new music Jamelia is bringing out. Several of the above I've made comments about here since I joined although not all.
Gareth is apparently in the studio at present working on a new album. If the music he produces is good i'll be one of the first to say so and praise him for it, until he does however my opinion of him and his music to date stands.
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Post by tiddlywinks on Jun 30, 2004 6:55:29 GMT -5
One question that I must ask as I am puzzled, how can mature woman and young girls lust after men known to be gay , just curious I guess.
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Post by Benny on Jun 30, 2004 7:02:56 GMT -5
Wrong term Fluff, mediocre, unoriginal and lacking in personality are the words I would use to describe Gareth at present if prompted. Gareth has an average voice, he can play a couple of instruments to a competent level, he's a nice enough person but the constant reliance on talking about his stammer in order to promote his records is beginning to get boring and repetitive. He has boyish good looks but for all that lacks real sex appeal. I don't wish him any personal harm but to me he's simply another representation of everything that's wrong within the pop industry. In short being average just isn't good enough. Pop acts I like are Will for his voice and music, Girls Aloud for their attitude and acceptance of who and what they are, Christina and Pink for finding their own identities and having the guts to just go with it. I feel sorry for Sam, Mark and Michelle, think Darius shoots himself in the foot at every turn and love the new music Jamelia is bringing out. Several of the above I've made comments about here since I joined although not all. Gareth is apparently in the studio at present working on a new album. If the music he produces is good i'll be one of the first to say so and praise him for it, until he does however my opinion of him and his music to date stands. Bluebottle – what an apt name. Let’s dissect what you said. You were accused of only coming on here to big up or defend Will. That can easily be seen from your previous posts in your profile.. Fluff widened your agenda to slagging off Gareth. You just confirmed this again. You say…<br> -Gareth has an average voice. I went to see him recently and his voice was fantastic. It’s got a much better quality to it than Wills but then that’s my preference. Even Gareth’s worst critic s concede he can sing. -he uses his stammer to sell records – what are you on? That’s a sad thing to say when it’s held him back from promoting so much . Hopefully that’ll have changed now. -Gareth got boyish good looks but lacks sex appeal: Im a Gareth fan. I’;m also gay and think that Gareth’s got more sex appeal in his little finger than Will has in his whole body but thats my preference too. It's a mad world. This whole thread was about Will believing his own hype. Well with fans like you blindly adoring every arsy thing he does it’s not surprising he’s in danger or going up his.
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Post by Bluebottle on Jun 30, 2004 8:25:15 GMT -5
So your dissection of my post is that you're opinion of Gareth and his talents differs from mine? that clears up everything then!
As regards his stammer I started off sympathetic now I just don't care very much at all, it's been done to death. If he wants to be a speech therapist good for him, I’m sure he's helped many sufferers and all props to him for that but isn't there anything else of interest that they can talk about when Gareth's on the promotional trail or at least something that's connected with the actual music he's trying to sell. As I said before it all just gets a bit repetitive otherwise.
As far as justifying my right to post here goes I simply don't feel the need to. If you don't like my posts to be frank it's really not my problem
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Post by Benny on Jun 30, 2004 8:33:19 GMT -5
Yeah buzz off back to your Will Young fan club. It's the only place you'll fit in.
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Post by Hula on Jun 30, 2004 8:38:00 GMT -5
One question that I must ask as I am puzzled, how can mature woman and young girls lust after men known to be gay , just curious I guess. Because te fact that he's gay doesn't change how attractive he is to them. I lust after girls that are straght all the time. I know I wouldn't stand a chance with them, but that doesn't make them unattractive. As the performance - I'm a Will fan, but I didn't like it. The whole "James Brown, James Brown, James Brown" thing wouldn't have been too bad if he hadn't repeated it quite so much. I don't mind a bit of improvisation, but it annoys me when t goes on for too long. I don't think that Will is arrogant, but I do think he's very confident and believes in himself as a singer. I went to see him on his recent tour and thought he was fabulous. Yes, he clearly enjoys performing, but I don't think he's as fame-hungry as Lovebomb was saying. He doesn't seem to be interested in being in the public eye at all, but when he performs maybe it seems like he does, because he loves singing and can often really enthusiastically get into a performance.
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Post by tiddlywinks on Jun 30, 2004 8:46:57 GMT -5
Um, I just found a picture of the event and he looks somewhat excited in a certain department. Exited, my better half said it looks more like a hernia than a hard on! , well I thought it was funny.
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Post by Bluebottle on Jun 30, 2004 12:18:59 GMT -5
Yeah buzz off back to your Will Young fan club. It's the only place you'll fit in. What are you five, grow up and learn that not everyone is going to agree with you about how talented or not Gareth is. My opinion of Gareth isn't based on the fact that I like Will it's based on the fact that nearly every time I've heard him sing live he has a tendancy to sing flat and sometimes when he sings out of tune it's actually so bad it's painful to listen to. Certain types of songs he sings well, like Yesterday for example because it doesn't stretch his voice outside of his range, on others however he ends up sounding weak and breathless because they do. That's when he resorts to grunting instead of singing to give his vocal performance some kind of depth, strength or power. Sunshine was a fairly good song but it could have been a great song if someone else with a better voice more suited to R&B had sung it.
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Post by tiddlywinks on Jun 30, 2004 12:59:57 GMT -5
Will, Gareth, The Cheeky girls, Sam and Mark, Michelle , Alistair and Alex are all the same (REALITY creations)
Give me real singers/bands any day,
Robert Plant Joe Cocker Bob Dylan Queen Sting Aerosmith Stevie Wonder Fleetwood Mac INXS Tina Turner The Who Joni Mitchell Carly Simon
You just cannot beat real talent, these people have stood the test of time and between them have sold millions of albums .
I know that this is a list of oldies but goodies, but you see my dear, they have earned their right to fame. There is just NO comparison between the old and the new...sorry.
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Post by flufff on Jun 30, 2004 16:23:59 GMT -5
Because te fact that he's gay doesn't change how attractive he is to them. I lust after girls that are straght all the time. I know I wouldn't stand a chance with them, but that doesn't make them unattractive. True, what a pointless criticism. Tiddlywinks can fuck off. Yet another person who doesn't grasp the point of these boards. People are entitled to be fans of music other than pop, but if you don't like and respect pop, you are an idiot to come here. A rude idiot to post crap like that. Bluebottle, you too are entitled to your opinion of Gareth's singing, but I'm another one who disagrees with you. I've been to see Gareth live several times and follow his tv performances with interest and believe him to be excellent live. Better live than recorded with a beautiful tone. I concede he's not got the most powerful voice in the world, but it's easily powerful enough. I don't like shouty singers and don't think it makes them any better, more often than not it makes them worse. Incidentally, even the reviewer who claimed (incorrectly) that Gareth was miming guitar on tour had to admit Gareth had an excellent live singing voice. Gareth's voice is a lot more powerful and in tune than a vast range of chart stars who you don't bother to criticise and that is the point really. You seek flaws and excuses to criticise in him when you wouldn't bother in others - the stammer thing is a case in point. Yes, it probably is a bit repetitive to be asked about his stammer all the time at interviews, but it's part of his life and before he can do any interviews he has to do a series of breathing and speech exercises, so it's kind of hard for the interviewer not to pick up on that or ask about it. As a fan I'd love it if they'd ask about his music, he has plenty he can say about that. I think it would be in his best interests professionally to avoid some of the questions on his speech and spend more time plugging. Gareth is the most high profile person with a stammer in the UK, and if other stammerers and organisations surrounding the subject want to use his name and example to increase awareness and to encourage others to seek treatment it would be a bit mean of him to say no, because he wants to be known more for his music. The news about him passing his exams and features on the program came at a time when he had nothing to promote, so you can't say it was self-promotion. If he wanted to get into the papers he could have gone to a premiere or showbiz party, but that's something he avoids most of the time, even when promoting. All this crap about how you used to be sympathetic is nonsense. He never needed your sympathy, he's always got on with his life and had a good life regardless. If you find him/the stammer/ his personality so dull then you shouldn't have so much to say on them. It's unfortunate for you to be bored by the odd mention in the paper, but think how dull it must be for him to live with? It's not something that will ever go away for him, or anyone else living with a stammer. The media's fascination with Gareth's stammer is indicative of the issue not having had any serious coverage up until that point and surely it's a good thing that the issues are a lot better understood than before - regardless of the power of his singing voice or your perception of a lack of sex appeal. Considering the historical precedent of attitudes towards stammers we should all be greatful you haven't fallen into the trap of confusing difficulty speaking with a lack of things to say or personality. Hang on, you did say those things didn't you? Looks like there's still a long way to go after all. Sorry to get all het up on what are supposed to be light-hearted threads, but some things really piss me off and that's one of them.
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Post by tiddlywinks on Jun 30, 2004 16:41:42 GMT -5
quote...from Fluff...Tiddlywinks can fuck off. (NICE)
What did I say that was so wrong? At least I never ran Gareth down, why should I, I have nothing at all against him. I have my opinion and surely as a member I can voice it as you can yours on these boards, but I assure you that I won't lose any sleep over your (NICE) comment.
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Post by crashingbore on Jun 30, 2004 16:42:08 GMT -5
Will is just so deadly respectably dull. He is the triumph of mediocrity. He makes me feel dead inside.
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Post by Bluebottle on Jul 1, 2004 2:33:25 GMT -5
I don’t like shouty singers either. Depth, tone, colour, control, strength, range, adaptability, individuality, being able to sing in tune, having the ability to convey the feel of a song are some of the things I look for if I’m judging an actual singing voice. That’s why I would describe Gareth as only being at best an average singer.
Many successful acts however don’t have great or even good voices, a lot of the time it’s not even necessary because they bring other things to the table which make them stand out as artists in their own right. Sometimes it‘s their music, their attitude, their humour, their opinions, their performance skills or some other unique quality which separates them from the crowd and makes them special, different.
That’s what I mean by lacking in personality, the fact that Gareth has a stammer is interesting and newsworthy up to a point but if it’s the only thing that the media can find to talk about him it begins to become tedious after a while. Is that the fault of the media for focusing on one thing or is it the only thing apart from Jordan that they can find of interest to talk about him, how much or how little does Gareth and his PR team influence the type of coverage he receives for example.
I didn’t bring Gareth and my opinion of him into this discussion, you did. The last person I criticised on here before that was Will and his video for Friday’s Child.
I have sympathy for anyone who goes through life with a disability, it comes of not being a cold hearted bitch and I never said or believed that he needed it, I wouldn’t be that condescending in my attitude towards him.
No, see above
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Post by Benny on Jul 1, 2004 5:36:41 GMT -5
Will is just so deadly respectably dull. He is the triumph of mediocrity. He makes me feel dead inside. I read on another general board -I think -or it might have been this - that the Glasgow TImes called him the Tony Bennett of the 'old before their time generation'.
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Post by bearloverme on Jul 1, 2004 5:46:15 GMT -5
hell, these PI guys cause tension. I cant say Gareth is worse than Will, they are both devoid of any meaning. They add nothing to music, pleasant voices, note perfect(I call them boring) do nothing for me. but they are no worse than some of the acts on offer. I think Maroon 5's singer has a better voice than Will, same soulful, jazz tinge, but somewhat more manly and more depth to it. I go for singers who are connected to their songs, write and convey a part of themselves in them. I thought the thread was about Will believing all the hype
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Post by noodles on Jul 1, 2004 7:11:13 GMT -5
I read on another general board -I think -or it might have been this - that the Glasgow TImes called him the Tony Bennett of the 'old before their time generation'. I think that was a review of Friday's Child Benny. As you seem to be having problems trying to find any positive quotes regarding Will i thought i'd help you out. Here's the BBC review. I can find plenty more positive ones if you like. Btw, he seems to think highly of Gareth. No, it's ok! You don't have to thank me.
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Post by Benny on Jul 1, 2004 9:26:35 GMT -5
It just shows what vicious bitches some of Will's fans are. He must be wetting himself everytime they come near. They are trolling the net looking for places to spit their venom. This one by noodles his her only post on here. Say no more.
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Post by bearloverme on Jul 1, 2004 14:27:02 GMT -5
thats a postive one is it. Fridays Child sounds a little "coffee table" jeesh, how many bands have been striving for that sound for years.I laughed audibly at this
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Post by tiddlywinks on Jul 1, 2004 16:01:48 GMT -5
Personally I don't rate FC at all, a little too ordinary , I have heard better. I didn't mind Leave right now, but this, nah! Why do these singers release single after single with tracks from their album, I have never quite understood this? Why would anyone want to buy a single if it's already on the album?
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Post by slug on Jul 1, 2004 16:37:10 GMT -5
Aaah, I seem to have stumbled upon a "let's be as vile and nasty as we possibly can be about a successful reality singer" that has actually had the audacity and sheer bloody mindedness to carry on and become an even more successful singer, what a bloody nerve and just who does he think he is? What has this guy done to deserve all this venom spat at him, well for a start he doesn't seem to want go quietly does he? like a lot of you expected and would love to happen I think. How frustated you must be feeling then.
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Post by Sparkle on Jul 2, 2004 1:09:34 GMT -5
Aaah, I seem to have stumbled upon a "let's be as vile and nasty as we possibly can be about a successful reality singer" that has actually had the audacity and sheer bloody mindedness to carry on and become an even more successful singer, what a bloody nerve and just who does he think he is? What has this guy done to deserve all this venom spat at him, well for a start he doesn't seem to want go quietly does he? like a lot of you expected and would love to happen I think. How frustated you must be feeling then. This board is called Clowns & Idiots of the World We Call Pop - its name must have given you a clue as to its contents, so I don't think you can say you "stumbled" across it. We can slag off whoever we choose, whoever we think fits into that category. For what it's worth, I think Will seems like a nice enough chap. He has a dreadful fake and forced vibrato from his throat, which annoys the hell out of me, but he can certainly sing in tune.
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Post by RacheyBaby on Jul 2, 2004 9:21:56 GMT -5
It just shows what vicious bitches some of Will's fans are. He must be wetting himself everytime they come near. They are trolling the net looking for places to spit their venom. This one by noodles his her only post on here. Say no more. How amusing!!! Havent read the whole thread but i can imagine from threads on other sites ive read that this is basically an argument where will fans have come to jump to his defence. I am a will fan...not as much as i used to be, infact recently ive gone right off him....but i did like the James Brown performance. Very different to his usual stuff but interesting all the same. Dont like Fridays Child at all...its dull and boring, but the video is GRAND!
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Post by RacheyBaby on Jul 2, 2004 9:40:41 GMT -5
One question that I must ask as I am puzzled, how can mature woman and young girls lust after men known to be gay , just curious I guess. Oh i MUST reply to this.....im 24....neither a mature woman or young girl....but i DID find Will very attractive. Im never going to meet Will Young or any famous person so whether they are gay or straight really makes no difference. However i do not fantasize about shagging him, nor do i enjoy reading fan fics written about him. I just find him pleasing on the eye.
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Post by cherrycola on Jul 10, 2004 15:16:46 GMT -5
It just shows what vicious bitches some of Will's fans are. He must be wetting himself everytime they come near. They are trolling the net looking for places to spit their venom. This one by noodles his her only post on here. Say no more. Too right. No wonder Will is scared shitless of them. Look what happened to John Lennon.
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Post by RacheyBaby on Jul 11, 2004 4:19:15 GMT -5
Too right. No wonder Will is scared shitless of them. . He IS? Oh MY!
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Post by Droo on Jul 11, 2004 4:36:02 GMT -5
God what a lot of argumentative bollocks has been spewed on this thread. Surely it's this simple - if you like Will, you interpret his behaviour in one way, if you don't you interpret it in another. Personally I don't see a trace of arrogance, but that's because I am now and always have been a huge fan.
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Post by spikeydude on Jul 11, 2004 14:44:04 GMT -5
God what a lot of argumentative bollocks has been spewed on this thread. Surely it's this simple - if you like Will, you interpret his behaviour in one way, if you don't you interpret it in another. Personally I don't see a trace of arrogance, but that's because I am now and always have been a huge fan. *first post* I totally agree. (you can tell I am going to be a purveyor of scintillating and intriguing stuff right from my first post can't you!)
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Post by bearloverme on Jul 12, 2004 2:43:31 GMT -5
well that proved a point didn't it, as Will Fan(atics) are bound to leap to defend their idol, and have done here. I am not a fan so cannot base my views on "an understanding" of the man's personality , "he doesn't mean this", "he has a dry humour". All I can say is based on what I see. PITP - I rest my case. YUK
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Post by spikeydude on Jul 12, 2004 3:27:02 GMT -5
hell, these PI guys cause tension. I cant say Gareth is worse than Will, they are both devoid of any meaning. They add nothing to music, pleasant voices, note perfect(I call them boring) do nothing for me. Gareth and Will should not even be mentioned in the same sentence! There are vast, vast differences between them, i.e. Gareth can't stay in the chart for more than a week, is a reality TV reject and has no songwriting talent, and posesses a voice that sends normal people to sleep. Whereas Will is a wonderful, funky soul singer who really gets into his music,. loves his job and has the most stunning voice I have ever heard. Sadly I think the fact that Will has turned out to be this different from gareth is a bit of a fluke to be honest, he certianly wasn't voted Pop Idol because of the above, it was just because he had a 'nice voice'. Luckily though, he has now shown us all what he is capable of. I agree that he has a very good voice, wonderful 'jazz tinge', but I fear that he lacks the range that Will does - Songs About Jane sounds very samey all the way through, while Friday's Child is an epic, traversing many different styles. I believe this is what sets Will apart, as he has the voice and the talent to do all of this. did you see Will with James Brown at the Olympic Torch concert? Or listened to the beautiful 'Take Control' on the Your Game single? Both of these performances prove beyond doubt that Will is 'connected' and 'conveys a part of himself' in his songs.
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